Originally posted by Surtur
This would be good. I wonder if they could make it so the cop can't turn it off, it gets turned on and off remotely.
I think that would be a great idea- obviously bathroom trips and lunches would be something to figure out, but accountability matters. None of this would have come to light without bystanders taking video. We would have all been shaking our heads saying "resisted arrest..."
Originally posted by Darth Thor
But what people dont seem to get here is Anger doesnt always follow a laid out methodology. And we dont really understand the anger of the black community, because lets not pretend theres no social class differences, that they dont constantly get pulled over, or shot at, or face intimidation by the police. Instances which are never caught on camera.
And my question would be why do you think they get pulled over more, etc.? Is it just racism? Do you think the violent crime rate from the black community plays only role at all in how the cops treat them?
Keep in mind I'm not saying racism never plays a role. But if you commit crime more often you're gonna get hassled more often by cops. And cops will have an increased presence in high crime areas.
Its just kind of heartless (imo) to complain about the riots, as if theyre just happening for no reason. Of course the looting is just people taking advantage, but I doubt thats solely black people.
Is a building more important than George Floyd? No, but it's hard to ignore the city on fire. It's hard to ignore the people who own small businesses who are devastated. It's hard to ignore the affordable housing site that was destroyed.
And we know the reason they are protesting, we know why it happened. We also know why thugs are looting and burning: because they are criminal opportunists. And yes they do come in all colors.
But meh, it's their city. If they wanna burn it down I say light some marshmallows then.
Originally posted by Bashar TegYup
that's a strawman you're arguing against. they are protesting the clear pattern on disproportionate unnecessary violence toward blacks by the police, who tend to get away with it unless they become grossly emboldened and blatant like we saw in that video.yes the cause of this pattern is racism, but I doubt any of those protesters have delusions of ending racism itself
Originally posted by Gadaboutand yup
The protest is against systemic injustice....to try and suggest or straight out say there is no systemic injustice in this country is just false, I won't even try and get into the why anyone would attempt such an argument.
Originally posted by cdtm
As far as I can see, the talk about inequality is exactly that: Talk. Big business isn't about to overhaul their excess for the common good, and no regulators can make them do that.
I think here is where you are incorrect. Regulation can and has in the past ensured that businesses were limited in the harm they could do, that normal people had rights and power. The system we see now is not a natural outgrowth, it was designed to be this way, starting from union busting legislation in the 50s, over the neo-liberal changes that the United States implemented with the dictator Pinochet, and then later Reagan. They have actively worked to dismantle legislation that has worked, and we could get it back, if we just can create enough pressure. There are a lot of solutions, from simple to complex, the people who have no interest in lessening inequality, or actively benefit from it are just very powerful, but by no means invincible.
Originally posted by truejedi
See the video of the white guys piling pallets up against shopping carts, and the one of the guy smashing autozone windows? I do kinda believe that police might be committing some of the violence of the protests in order to justify the use of violence against the protestors. Thoughts on that angle?
Hate to admit it, but I read about it in a buzzfeed article lol. They are keeping track of hoaxes.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/hoax-misleading-claims-george-floyd-protests
It remains unconfirmed. If true they need to be fired and hit with whatever charges are applicable.
Originally posted by Surturfair play on this post Surt.
Hate to admit it, but I read about it in a buzzfeed article lol. They are keeping track of hoaxes.https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/hoax-misleading-claims-george-floyd-protests
It remains unconfirmed. If true they need to be fired and hit with whatever charges are applicable.
Originally posted by truejediin the uk during occupy plain clothes Police did something similar it all just vanished from the papers.
See the video of the white guys piling pallets up against shopping carts, and the one of the guy smashing autozone windows? I do kinda believe that police might be committing some of the violence of the protests in order to justify the use of violence against the protestors. Thoughts on that angle?
Originally posted by Surtur
Hate to admit it, but I read about it in a buzzfeed article lol. They are keeping track of hoaxes.https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/hoax-misleading-claims-george-floyd-protests
It remains unconfirmed. If true they need to be fired and hit with whatever charges are applicable.
The problem is, how do you confirm something like that? The police aren't trustworthy at this point. Who else is there to give "proof" on something like that? Im going to hold off condemning the protestors for violence until it is confirmed they are the ones being violent i guess.
I also was wondering how i would react to being tear gassed at an angry, yet peaceful protest. Senseless violence might spring from the pain of that. At that point it would be considered fighting back i think.
Originally posted by truejedi
The problem is, how do you confirm something like that? The police aren't trustworthy at this point. Who else is there to give "proof" on something like that? Im going to hold off condemning the protestors for violence until it is confirmed they are the ones being violent i guess.I also was wondering how i would react to being tear gassed at an angry, yet peaceful protest. Senseless violence might spring from the pain of that. At that point it would be considered fighting back i think.
We definitely know not all the damage done to the city was done by the cops. There is too much footage.
It'll be hard to confirm, I don't trust the cops but then I also remember "hands up don't shoot" being bullshit so I don't trust either side.
Originally posted by truejedi
None of this would have come to light without bystanders taking video. We would have all been shaking our heads saying "resisted arrest..."
And thats the problem. Its easy for us to say to the black community to calm down.
Think of it this way, if Youve been caught cheating by your wife/girlfriend, shed be naeive as fuk to think thats the first and only time youve cheated (well some of the peeps on this forum would be like PROVIDE EVIDENCE).
But When youre caught its likely not the first time (this particular guy had a dodgy record).
And its not like this is the first time a cop has been caught abusing a black man.
I mean for GOD sake in the middle of the rioting the police arrest a Black CNN Reporter but not the White one.
Originally posted by Surtur
And my question would be why do you think they get pulled over more, etc.? Is it just racism? Do you think the violent crime rate from the black community plays only role at all in how the cops treat them?Keep in mind I'm not saying racism never plays a role. But if you commit crime more often you're gonna get hassled more often by cops. And cops will have an increased presence in high crime areas.
So why arent white people pulled over just as much in high crime areas?
Maybe if you treat them the same, in the long run it would lead to reduced crime from a specific minority group.
But why racially profile crime like that in the first place?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
So why arent white people pulled over just as much in high crime areas?Maybe if you treat them the same, in the long run it would lead to reduced crime from a specific minority group.
But why racially profile crime like that in the first place?
I think it's profiling but I don't think it all comes down to just purely...these people think blacks are inferior and are targeting them because of that.
I think the high crime rates play a role.
Despite the lockdown here in Chicago over Memorial day weekend we had more shootings than we did last year when we weren't locked down. It's just a mess in these high crime areas, some of them here resemble a demilitarized zone.
I think there is racism, but I don't think that's the sole explanation for all this.