Originally posted by Surtur
NYPD Out of Control: Videos Depict Cops on Rampages Across Brooklyn
their lives were in danger. didn't you see those plastic bottles and traffic cones flying while they were sitting inside an suv?
also, they were given no safe means of exiting the area...oh sure they could have just thrown it in reverse, but why should they go so far out of their way to not attempt vehicular homicide?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
their lives were in danger. didn't you see those plastic bottles and traffic cones flying while they were sitting inside an suv?also, they were given no safe means of exiting the area...oh sure they could have just thrown it in reverse, but why should they go so far out of their way to not attempt vehicular homicide?
durpot
Shocking video shows violent protesters drag Chicago police officers through street
*smh*
Just showing this again.
Originally posted by Surtur
As I said in my other post these riots didn't cause the cops to reflect it just made the bad ones start behaving even worse.And perhaps some are indeed acting out of fear but at this point it's hard to tell the difference.
I was just summarizing mayor de blasio's take on the situation as he basically made excuses for and exonerated that officer at the podium
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
durpot
try some, it might calm you down
Minnesota police firing non lethals at people who are standing on their own property on their own porches. how is this not an authoritarian coup of a free country? please someone explain why they feel safe and exempt from this, let alone support it?
https://mobile.twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Minnesota police firing non lethals at people who are standing on their own property on their own porches. how is this not an authoritarian coup of a free country? please someone explain why they feel safe and exempt from this, let alone support it?https://mobile.twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
I don't support them shooting people with non-lethals. It should be lethals.
Originally posted by Bashar Tegi have an honest question to anyone here.
Minnesota police firing non lethals at people who are standing on their own property on their own porches. how is this not an authoritarian coup of a free country? please someone explain why they feel safe and exempt from this, let alone support it?https://mobile.twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
What would have happened if those people on the porch had a gun and defended themselves and their property. What if they opened fire on the cops? Would they have been in their legal rights to defend themselves, their family and their propery?
Was there some sort of act or law that was enacted due to the riots that would make what the cops did legal?
Originally posted by Raptor22Good post, I don't know!
i have an honest question to anyone here.What would have happened if those people on the porch had a gun and defended themselves and their property. What if they opened fire on the cops? Would they have been in their legal rights to defend themselves, their family and their propery?
Was there some sort of act or law that was enacted due to the riots that would make what the cops did legal?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
38 out of 45 arrested. what does this prove?
Proves a couple of things:
1. Subterfuge and more agent provocateurs.
2. They are not honest actors. They are there to take advantage of the situation.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
it seems that they actually were from CNN.https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1266779642003894273
I'm sure that ddm was not attempting to gaslight and delegitemize the filmed occurances of agent provocateurs, by posting an upload stripped of context, instead of posting the feed in which this video and later apology to CNN was originally posted at 1pm EST yesterday (where he found it).
honest mistake by ddm I'm sure, with no intent to decieve/gaslight/muddy the water with silly games.
You're correct. I only had the link to the video, not the original context.
Don't worry: there's still deceit in the video as they clearly lied about who they were, in the SUV.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
update on umbrella man:https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/jacob-pederson-auto-zone-cop-not-umbrella-man/
why so mysterious? They threw up an investigation at the drop of a hat to cover for their officer, but seem to not care about the identity of umbrella man, and will make no comment on whether they are even investigating to seek his identity. please, St Paul, lie to me. just lie and say "we are however seeking his identity..."
So was the police officer working in a different place and everyone jumped to conclusoins about who that guy was at autozone or are the police lying and covering up for their "own"?
I can't tell from your post. But I don't know who to believe. You can't really tell from his mask that it is 100% him but it does have a resemblance. Enough to make you think.
Originally posted by Surtur
NYPD Out of Control: Videos Depict Cops on Rampages Across Brooklyn
Saw this. Not sure I agree with what the protesters were doing in this particular situation.
Unless the police were responding to the protesters destroying stuff and they were trying to stop the police from responding? In general, you're not supposed to block emergency vehicles. And when you swarm a vehicle and start throwing stuff at it, beating it, the police, or anyone in that situation, can then use their vehicle to start mowing people down. That's a lose-lose for the protesters unless they are trying to end up as martyrs to the NYPD.
Originally posted by Surtur
Shocking video shows violent protesters drag Chicago police officers through street*smh*
Just showing this again.
Already posted this video.
Notice the peaceful protesters putting a stop to it and protecting the police from the violence? Because a majority (IMO) are not there to commit crimes or cause violence. They are there to protest the death of George Floyd and "police on people" violence.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Minnesota police firing non lethals at people who are standing on their own property on their own porches. how is this not an authoritarian coup of a free country? please someone explain why they feel safe and exempt from this, let alone support it?https://mobile.twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
I saw a similar vid. I saw the full vid. Let me check to see if that vid has the full take.
Edit - It does. That's the honest vid. The other vids floating around cut it off before the camera goes back to the people showing what they looked like. Why? Because the people are clearly "dressed to protest." Which is probably part of why they got targeted and why they were on their porch and why the National Guard was patrolling the neighborhoods. Also, the video floating around on the net cuts off before showing the people so that you assume they were shot with bullets instead of pepper pellets. It's more shitheads trying to stoke the flames.
And before you accuse me of something I'm not, yet again: my take is if you are on your own property, and someone starts firing at you, you kill them dead as quickly as possible. With your own guns. What if the people on the porch were in full tactical armor and it was a "crazy gun nut libertarian"? We'd see vastly different policies and approaches if 15 National Guard were killed in a few seconds because they decided to be a police state to the wrong person. This is what your second amendment is fore.
Originally posted by cdtm
So according to Sin, a police officer told her he only makes 40K to work in bad neighborhoods.Maybe part of the problem is not paying enough to attract anyone but the dregs?
It's like the joke called TSA, they pay shit and attract shit people.
Cutting rates on services brings cut rate services.
True. I made 45K a year in my early 20s, working in a technical call center. Sure, I had to know quite a bit more than the average person to do my job but that's more than a police officer makes and they probably require more training than I did. And their job is far more deadly.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Saw this. Not sure I agree with what the protesters were doing in this particular situation.Unless the police were responding to the protesters destroying stuff and they were trying to stop the police from responding? In general, you're not supposed to block emergency vehicles. And when you swarm a vehicle and start throwing stuff at it, beating it, the police, or anyone in that situation, can then use their vehicle to start mowing people down. That's a lose-lose for the protesters unless they are trying to end up as martyrs to the NYPD.
Already posted this video.
Notice the peaceful protesters putting a stop to it and protecting the police from the violence? Because a majority (IMO) are not there to commit crimes or cause violence. They are there to protest the death of George Floyd and "police on people" violence.
I saw a similar vid. I saw the full vid. Let me check to see if that vid has the full take.
Edit - It does. That's the honest vid. The other vids floating around cut it off before the camera goes back to the people showing what they looked like. Why? Because the people are clearly "dressed to protest." Which is probably part of why they got targeted and why they were on their porch and why the National Guard was patrolling the neighborhoods. Also, the video floating around on the net cuts off before showing the people so that you assume they were shot with bullets instead of pepper pellets. It's more shitheads trying to stoke the flames.
And before you accuse me of something I'm not, yet again: my take is if you are on your own property, and someone starts firing at you, you kill them dead as quickly as possible. With your own guns. What if the people on the porch were in full tactical armor and it was a "crazy gun nut libertarian"? We'd see vastly different policies and approaches if 15 National Guard were killed in a few seconds because they decided to be a police state to the wrong person. This is what your second amendment is fore.
more of your brilliant gaslighting. I'm glad that this is all so much fun for you
Originally posted by cdtmthat defiantly could be part of it.
So according to Sin, a police officer told her he only makes 40K to work in bad neighborhoods.Maybe part of the problem is not paying enough to attract anyone but the dregs?
It's like the joke called TSA, they pay shit and attract shit people.
Cutting rates on services brings cut rate services.
But high pay doesnt necessarily equal good service either. In a city with a very high violent crime rate i used to live in (Springfield MA) the cops made money like u wouldnt believe. And trust me there was no shortage of shady cops and corruption throughout the force.
https://www.masslive.com/news/2017/06/springfield_salary_database_2017_details.html
Then on the other hand u have a city like Camden NJ who is annually one of the poorest cities in the nation
"Camden, located in the southern part of New Jersey, just across the Delaware River from Philadelphia, is one of the poorest cities in the state, if not the whole U.S. The median income there is just $26,000, compared to $76,000 in the rest of New Jersey, and the poverty rate is above 37 percent. In the 2013-2017 period, per capita income in Camden was just $14,405."
https://talkpoverty.org/2019/06/28/new-jersey-tax-break-food-desert/
Yet their officers are acting like this.
https://nj1015.com/camden-police-march-with-protesters-in-strong-message-of-unity-opinion/
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
more of your brilliant gaslighting. I'm glad that this is all so much fun for you
Here are my points with citations:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/legislation-protects-drivers-injure-protesters/index.html
Florida:
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/01096
North Carolina:
https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookup/2017/H330
Rhode Island:
https://openstates.org/ri/bills/2017/HB5690/
Texas:
https://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=851&Bill=HB250
And this breaks it down:
https://www.offgridweb.com/survival/what-if-your-vehicle-is-attacked-by-an-angry-mob/
Now, those are the facts. No gaslighting involved. To contradict those facts with any type of narrative could actually constitute "gaslighting" as you like to call everything that might contradict you. Struggle as you may about technicalities, laws, words, etc. But my underlying point will not change. Some states, it is legal to drive through protesters. In all states, it is legal to drive through protesters attacking you and your car while you're in it. You can disagree with case law and law, if you'd like, and that's fine. Get it changed if you do not like it.
As for the others dressed in "protester garb" who were legally standing on their own porch? And my point about why the second amendment exists so you can fight tyrannical government violence with violence of your own by being armed? Please, do tell me how I'm gaslighting that. I dare you to try to disagree. 🙂
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