The death of George Floyd/Chauvin guilty

Originally posted by truejedi
Surtur's post above. If you don't believe police brutality is behind some of violence we are seeing, you aren't paying attention at this point. No more tear gas, No more rubber bullets into peaceful demonstrations. No more inciting violence with brutality.

Also this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/george-floyd-independent-autopsy/index.html

Well, not to keep using the same arguments over and over...but...

How often do we see people die from police interactions in other Western countries?

I'm willing to be the US sees far more deaths by police, per capita, than other countries, even when you control for crime rates.

Also, nice find on the asphyxiation. For once I agree with PVS on this: I think the right wingers, pro-police apologists, are gaslighting the narrative. It just seems highly improbably that 3 guys sitting on him had very little to do with a man dying from no breath. I'm pretty strong and healthy but I'm pretty sure I would die from asphyxiation after 20-40 minutes. You just get exhausted and it becomes harder and harder to take a breath. Until you can't. If he was dealing with underlying health issues and had drugs in his system, yeah, seems like a no brainer he'd die.

Edit - I'm of the tinfoil hate opinion that the cop had a beef with George and killed him for it. The video evidence doesn't add up. Why did they repark the SUV AFTER putting George in it, and then take George out and put him on the ground? Feels like an excuse to off him. They worked at a night club together - my guess is drugs were involved. George threatened to snitch on the cop's club drug deals or something.

Originally posted by Surtur
Only to the unintelligent 👆

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Like all the facebook employees walking out who also have multiple degrees.

Yes, like all of them.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, like all of them.

oof

Originally posted by Surtur

You still don't see the cops attacking protestors as a cause for rioting? How many cops attacked those men at the state house. How much tear gas? How many rubber bullets?

Originally posted by truejedi
You still don't see the cops attacking protestors as a cause for rioting? How many cops attacked those men at the state house. How much tear gas? How many rubber bullets?

Not all of the rioting, looting, and burning happened cuz cops attacked peaceful protesters.

Originally posted by Surtur
Not all of the rioting, looting, and burning happened cuz cops attacked peaceful protesters.

Got any numbers on that?

Nah if the claim is they were all caused by cops attacking peaceful protesters that is on you guys to prove.

And no, we won't be debating this.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Got any numbers on that?

Are you asking both truejedi and surt or are you being biased?

Originally posted by Surtur
Not all of the rioting, looting, and burning happened cuz cops attacked peaceful protesters.

Enough of it did to make your meme misleading. If anything it made the protestors point for them. Those protestors in Michigan, fully armed at the capitol building, faced nothing like peaceful marchers are facing in cities across the country right now. Who knows what would have happened if police had come in with pepper spray and rubber bullets to that protest.

Originally posted by truejedi
Enough of it did to make your meme misleading.

Oh? Prove it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nah if the claim is they were all caused by cops attacking peaceful protesters that is on you guys to prove.

And no, we won't be debating this.

Because this is the story you are ignoring, in post after post after post, you are ignoring that the the police are carrying out brutal attacks on peaceful crowds and being urged on by a deranged POTUS to come down even harder. THAT is the story here.

Originally posted by truejedi
Enough of it did to make your meme misleading. If anything it made the protestors point for them. Those protestors in Michigan, fully armed at the capitol building, faced nothing like peaceful marchers are facing in cities across the country right now. Who knows what would have happened if police had come in with pepper spray and rubber bullets to that protest.

How much was 100% due to police attacking peaceful protesters?

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh? Prove it.

No, do your own damn research. Im not 12. Once again, if you are missing the story here, you aren't paying attention.

Originally posted by truejedi
Because this is the story you are ignoring, in post after post after post, you are ignoring that the the police are carrying out brutal attacks on peaceful crowds and being urged on by a deranged POTUS to come down even harder. THAT is the story here.

I did see the cops become way more aggressive in the days after the thugs rioting and burning started I agree with ya. I acknowledged these riots didn't work they just made the cops behave worse.

What you haven't yet shown me is the majority of rioters only began to burn down their cities cuz cops went after peaceful protesters. Not saying you're wrong, but I just want evidence.

Originally posted by Surtur
I did see the cops become way more aggressive in the days after the thugs rioting and burning started I agree with ya. I acknowledged these riots didn't work they just made the cops behave worse.

What you haven't yet shown me is the majority of rioters only began to burn down their cities cuz cops went after peaceful protesters. Not saying you're wrong, but I just want evidence.

I dont know if its the majority. Ive seen enough video of cops breaking windows and setting cars on fire to wonder how much of this is even being done by protestors at all. Plenty of videos of tear gas being fired peaceful crowds. But if you want evidence, you don't have to look very hard right now. KMC is no place to come for evidence though. I learned that years ago. Memes maybe, and discussion, but not "evidence."

So if it's not the majority then you acknowledge the cops can't have all the blame or even more than 50% of the blame placed on them.

Good talk.