Originally posted by Bashar Teg
Sorry still trying to figure out why an organization which kills in the name of politics is not considered terrorism when they're white supremacists. walk me through your reasoning
What about an organization that purposefully whips people up into frenzies to profit off of the chaos and it causes thousands of deaths? Would you consider them a terrorist organization?
Originally posted by truejedi
Im not at all interested in defending antifa. Only deflection if i had been involved in that discussion. I just think there are very fine people on both sides.
And see now i gotta wonder did you invoke the fine people on both sides by accident or do you subscribe to the deluded leftist fantasy he called nazis fine people?
Originally posted by Surtur
And see now i gotta wonder did you invoke the fine people on both sides by accident or do you subscribe to the deluded leftist fantasy he called nazis fine people?
I just quoted him. You can draw your own conclusion on what he meant. You cannot be insulted by someone using his own words.
Originally posted by truejedi
I just quoted him. You can draw your own conclusion on what he meant. You cannot be insulted by someone using his own words.
Too right: just let the words speak for themselves. The exact words:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not even politifact agrees with you, here. They state that full context is needed to understand what he meant so they posted the whole transcript:Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"
Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."
Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."
Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.
"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.
Not only did Trump NOT call the Neo Nazis "very fine people", he outright condemned them and made his position quite clear not once but twice.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Originally posted by truejedi
Hard to know what he meant. All i know is what he said.
the exact words were posted above, i look forward to you weighing in on *all* he said and not just a tidbit deceitful people might use out of context.
Not that you are being deceitful it's possible you were just fooled by those that are.
maybe u saw someone on cnn spout this bullshit while you were in an airport awaiting a flight and believed it, i dunno.
we all make mistakes.