Originally posted by Surtur
So if it's not the majority then you acknowledge the cops can't have all the blame or even more than 50% of the blame placed on them.Good talk.
You don't think police brutality is the reason all of this is happening?
Also, apologies- not meaning to come across as very heated. I also live in chicago, and got sent home early this morning to avoid being open during protest activities.. Just a surreal screwed up time.
Originally posted by truejedi
You don't think police brutality is the reason all of this is happening?Also, apologies- not meaning to come across as very heated. I also live in chicago, and got sent home early this morning to avoid being open during protest activities.. Just a surreal screwed up time.
I think police brutality is the reason people are peacefully protesting.
But I can't blame all the rioting on cops. I don't doubt some attacked peaceful protesters.
Thing is for me if I'm a peaceful protester and I got attacked I'm gonna go after the cops who did it. I'm not gonna burn down Target and loot the Nike store.
Thing is for me if I'm a peaceful protester and I got attacked I'm gonna go after the cops who did it. I'm not gonna burn down Target and loot the Nike store. [/B]
I agree with that. The looting and vandalism is not ok. I think is systemic, and coordinated, and opportunistic and in a lot of cases from a single group of people driving around yesterday filling their cars up with stolen goods. That part is despicable to me, because they are hijacking the issue at hand.
However, a head-on charge against the cops ends in a blood bath- so I dont really know what the option is. I dont know how I would react to being attacked for protesting, it has never happened to me. Probably run the **** away honestly, and try to be devious. Im not saying this is what is happening: but burning and looting away from the main protest would be a pretty good strategy from drawing cops away from attacking protestors... If this were a movie it would be the first thing the plucky rebels would try.
No more tear gas and rubber bullets against peaceful protests before I think we can say we take away the first amendment because some people are looting and burning. Maybe show you can do your job without brutality and the protests will start to end. So far, all they are doing is fanning the flames, and absolutely so is Trump with his "get tougher" rhetoric.
Originally posted by truejedi
I agree with that. The looting and vandalism is not ok. I think is systemic, and coordinated, and opportunistic and in a lot of cases from a single group of people driving around yesterday filling their cars up with stolen goods. That part is despicable to me, because they are hijacking the issue at hand.However, a head-on charge against the cops ends in a blood bath- so I dont really know what the option is. I dont know how I would react to being attacked for protesting, it has never happened to me. Probably run the **** away honestly, and try to be devious. Im not saying this is what is happening: but burning and looting away from the main protest would be a pretty good strategy from drawing cops away from attacking protestors... If this were a movie it would be the first thing the plucky rebels would try.
No more tear gas and rubber bullets against peaceful protests before I think we can say we take away the first amendment because some people are looting and burning. Maybe show you can do your job without brutality and the protests will start to end. So far, all they are doing is fanning the flames, and absolutely so is Trump with his "get tougher" rhetoric.
Seems like the smart option for the protesters would be to have one group assemble some where and another group raid the police departments/raze it to the ground.
But that's putting in just a tiny bit of thought and tactics into a coordinated effort. Something tells me the people rioting and raiding are not really doing so to "get the police."
hmm
Originally posted by Surtur
I think police brutality is the reason people are peacefully protesting.But I can't blame all the rioting on cops. I don't doubt some attacked peaceful protesters.
Thing is for me if I'm a peaceful protester and I got attacked I'm gonna go after the cops who did it. I'm not gonna burn down Target and loot the Nike store.
They dont have a Malcolm X or MLK leading them. So add rage over police brutality to the protests and it becomes riots. Then theres the low lifes who decide to loot in the middle of it.
Add people not having money due to high levels of unemployment doesnt help when riots start.
So the protests need proper leadership and organisation.
But its certainly not as simple as - They are animals so lets just treat them as terrorists.
And No Im Not Justifying Violence and Looting for those retards who like to misquote me.
Those guys need to be stopped. But make no mistake systemic racism and police brutality is the cause of this mess. Like youd literally have to be in denial to not see that. All the peaceful protestors are certainly not out there for their health.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
When did I say they were murdering people?
And if that’s not what you mean, meaning they aren’t murdering people so they are not terrorists...you don’t have to murder people to be a domestic terrorist.
murder is kinda essential for terrorism. not convinced.
though you have convinced me to never buy an iPhone (pre-edit)
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
okay, then what was your excuse for dismissing white supremacists as terrorists, again? does murder = not terrorism?*edit* @ surt
If murder equals terrorism this country is full of black terrorists and black terrorists commit the majority of murders. So black terrorism is far more of an issue than white supremacists.
Son: you wanna travel down this road? I'll allow it. I wouldn't recommend it, but shit I'll allow it. Giving you guys just enough rope to hang yourselves is always amusing 🙂
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
okay, then what was your excuse for dismissing white supremacists as terrorists, again? does murder = not terrorism?*edit* @ surt
The media has done more to make us fear White Supremacists (WS) than WS have in actual public risk.
They way the make it seem, I'll go around the corner and I have to dodge tannerite pipe bombs being hurled by fat men, missing 1/3 to 2/3 of their teeth, whose throwing arms have swastikas and Waffen SS tattoos on them.
In reality, I have a significantly greater chance of getting struck by lightning than running into a violent white supremacist that could be classified as a domestic terrorist.
So, objectively, the MSM is a greater terrorist than the actual WS they decry. The fear, rage, and loss in productivity caused by the MSM over the almost completely non-existent WS terrorism is the bigger problem.
If we had this same conversation 70 years ago, I'd have a different conclusion for you.