Originally posted by Artol
I think there's multiple aspects that determine people's reactions to calling a black looter vs. a white killer cop. Whether you have a positive or negative image of the police. Whether you think police should behave at least as good or better than citizens as role models. Whether you buy into a theory of oppression that must be counteracted. Whether you have a racist reaction towards different people....
I think the police are, all around, dog shit.
But this is like comparing government to private companies.
Both are utterly shit. Just dog shit. Poo poo you step on after a doggy made a doo doo.
Originally posted by SurturI tend to walk round it, but whatever gets your dick hard, it's your fetish I guess
I think the police are, all around, dog shit.But this is like comparing government to private companies.
Both are utterly shit. Just dog shit. Poo poo you step on after a doggy made a doo doo.
Originally posted by Surturnope.
Son: I was talking about that.If you were too dumb to get it and began talking about something else? Okay, you're forgiven.
This
"Declines were especially pronounced in the largest cities. In cities with populations over 1 million, the murder rate decreased by 8.5 percent.
Baltimore and Chicago — two major cities with relatively high murder rates which saw significant increases in 2015 and 2016 — both saw their murder rates decline, by roughly 9 percent and 14 percent, respectively."-quote from my post
"I'm so glad blacks are murdering less."-surt
Morphed into
"you didn't just ask me for a source that whites murder less than blacks."-surt
Deflection # 5
Originally posted by Raptor22
do u think that going by the trend of the first 5+ months of a year where millions of people are on lockdown, not leaving their houses, not going to work, bars/restaurants all closed etc... Shows an honest representation of the norm?
Yes. If you'd like to disagree with the data, you can go back in time and see little difference in the trend for this year (and there is a clear reason why: gun violence didn't change during lockdown). We were just simply getting that much better.
Full data disclosure so you don't have to rely on just my words (this bypasses the need to have to pay Statista money to see their old data and I don't feel bad about sharing this trick because this data should be made publicly available as it is important to changing policy):
And, lastly, today's data which just got updated as of today, June 5th, gave us April's and May's data. Which is what you and I are talking about, now.
I'll break it down why it's still an accurate representation of reality:
1. Most people did not "lock down" and it was mostly placebo, according to GPS data collected on mobile devices. This, of course, is different for NY and CA where people really did "lockdown." Also, multiple states reopened on April 24th and continued to re-open through the second week of May. We would have seen an uptick and then a downtick and then an uptick again if what you said was accurate of the data. We didn't. That trend is not there.
2. Crime continued despite lockdowns with a -20% in most categories of crime except gun violence. In a study done of crime during lockdown, 18 of 30 cities saw crime go down and 12 of 30 saw crime go up during lockdown. Homicide rates remained fairly stable, however (year over year).
3. a. Gun violence was up during lockdown.
b. During police confrontations, being armedwith a gun constitutes a majority of the fatal police encounters.
Originally posted by Raptor22
Outside of that all of the end totals for police killings and brutality overall are skewed by the fact that the overwhelming majority are down for whites.
This point is irrelevant since I broke all of them out by their own category and did a linear trend for each. You'd have a really damn good point if I combined all the totals into one graph (which I bet some white-supremacists would try to do to dishonestly make their point...sneaky data), by year. But I didn't, on purpose, because that chart would be dishonest. Yes, I'm telling you that so you'll be proud of me and pat me on the back (not kidding...I think this conversation is fun and I want you to see I was honest in my approach).
Originally posted by Raptor22
It seems his policies worked really good on cracking down on police brutality against white people. For the other races they didn't seem 2 help much if at all.
Your conclusion should be the opposite based on the data. It is significantly down for all races except "other." The exact opposite conclusion should be made from the available data that we have. But I digress a bit on take 2, below.
Here are 2 alternatives Takes:
Take 1: An alternative take is from Washington Post. They track death-by-police data (but there is a bias in it because it is Washington Post) and they see little year over year difference in death-by-police. Since the population is growing, year over year, this constitutes a reduction in fatal police encounters per 100,000.
Take 2: Also from WaPo's data - since violent crime is going down and population is going up, this means we are killing more people, per violent crime, per 100,000 people. This means my entire point is wrong and the exact opposite would be true. When you have conflicting data like this, what do you believe? Statista's data best fits the narrative I want to be true so I present that and put time and energy into best modeling that data. Statista also has a bias because they put a disclaimer on their data stating the US has a major police-on-people violence problem.
Second to last item that I feels needs to be talked about. All these places, when talking about fatal police encounters, dishonestly represent that black people are twice as likely to be shot and killed by police. But that doesn't match with the fact that black people are 7 times more likely to murder than white people because they only represent 13% of the population but commit a majority of all the murders. One study looked into fatal police shootings and found that crime rates by ethnicity in a city was a very accurate predictor for fatal police encounters for that particular ethnicity. To put it more simply using made up data:
City A: Black people kill 100 people a year in City A. Black people average 1 fatal police encounter(s) a year in City A.
City A: Black people kill 200 people a year in City A. Black people average 2 fatal police encounter(s) a year in City A.
City B: White people kill 600 people a year in City B. White people average 3 fatal police encounter(s) a year in City B.
City B: White people kill 900 people a year in City B. White people average 9 fatal police encounter(s) a year in City B.
Their study had two findings about fatal police encounters:
1. Crime by race is a highly accurate predictor of fatal police encounters - more crime, more fatal police encounters. Less crime, less fatal police encounters.
2. Population of race in the city also had significant but weak correlation with odds of a fatal police encounter. In other words, yet again, the "population is population" trend was found in data. There's an odd trend you can find in almost all data related to populations. Generally, it goes like this: more population, more variable x. We rediscover it over and over and over again in all sorts of studies and it gets very annoying after a while. You can almost predict anything with it and it doesn't just stop at raw numbers - you can see population data trends in population growth and densities - still the same trends more or less of those population variables results in more or less of the population stat you're studying.
Okay, last item, I promise.
None of this stuff I'm talking with you about matters much. Sure, it looks like we are trending down for the year, significantly so, since 2017. But it's not trending down nearly fast enough for my tastes. Why does the UK have FAR less fatal police encounters per 100,000 people than the US? Even if you divide their numbers by 4 (which is too much because the UK's homicide rate per 100,000 is not 4 times lower than the US's), we still cannot account for how many people die per 100,000 people in the US. Our police just kill their citizens more often per violent crime compared to the UK. We need to change it and it starts with federally mandated policing standards.
Originally posted by Raptor22
Should u be moving goal posts like that with your bad back? 🙂
haermm
Damn, you got on a role burning Surt while I was hanging out with the wife.
That's a burn that hits below the belt. It's like mocking me for spending far too long aligning things in graphs...below the belt with that shit, yo.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Correction: Officer That Assaulted Elderly Man at Demonstration Against Police Violence is Suspended; 57 Others Resign in Solidary, Proving Protestors Correct
Further Correction: Officer That Committed Assault and Battery On Uninvolved Elderly Man at Demonstration Against Police is Suspend: 57 Others Resign in Solidarity Proving the Protesters Correct
But my correction is way way too wordy.
On another note:
This same cop tried to commit voter fraud:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/police-brutality-minneapolis-floyd-blm-trump
really interesting article.
I’m seeing a new video of Police being POS every day. I could make it a full time job to archive these videos. Imagine how much more shit goes down if Police are willing to violate your constitutional rights on camera. And his colleagues just watch.
Like the balls on that guy. I’m honestly shocked police like this aren’t getting popped on the daily at home with how much guns the US has. I think it really speaks to how much respect for the rule of law the US has. I know for a fact that in a few countries cops would be getting lit up.
I think the most reasonable proposal I heard was getting cops licensed. Pretty crazy that teachers, doctors, nurses, sometimes firefighters, and EMTs are licensed but cops are not. Hopefully a licensing system and a central databased is implemented.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusme too
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gxuhqk/police_officer_detains_guy_after_getting_in_his/I’m seeing a new video of Police being POS every day. I could make it a full time job to archive these videos. Imagine how much more shit goes down if Police are willing to violate your constitutional rights on camera. And his colleagues just watch.
Like the balls on that guy. I’m honestly shocked police like this aren’t getting popped on the daily at home with how much guns the US has. I think it really speaks to how much respect for the rule of law the US has. I know for a fact that in a few countries cops would be getting lit up.
I think the most reasonable proposal I heard was getting cops licensed. Pretty crazy that teachers, doctors, nurses, sometimes firefighters, and EMTs are licensed but cops are not. Hopefully a licensing system and a central databased is implemented.
Minneapolis leaders allowed protesters to destroy city. Now they demand taxpayers pay for damage.
LOL!!
Not just laughing at the story, but at the fact at least one person here will be pathetic enough to agree tax payers should foot the bill.