Supposed Transphobic J.K Rowling Comments

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Irrelevant.

I'm sorry your thought experiment didn't work out the way you had planned.

This persecutorial country you want to exist just doesn't exist. Holding up LGBT members as martyrs and victims is getting really really hard with the SJW armies ready to cancel/ruin anyone who goes against their ever-changing positions.

🙂

Edit - My redneck coworkers give me crap about my fancy clothes and shoes. I've been called gay and metrosexual so many times. I still haven't tried to kill myself. Still not offended. Still not buttmad. And I didn't get even a tiny bit upset.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm sorry your thought experiment didn't work out the way you had planned.

Yeah, it did, and you just proved it:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - My redneck coworkers give me crap about my fancy clothes and shoes. I've been called gay and metrosexual so many times.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yeah, it did, and you just proved it:

No you didn't. 🙂

It was always from a place of happiness and jokes. And since I don't have mental illnesses, I am able to acknowledge it as jokes without breaking down into tears. And since I'm not a b*tch, I don't get mad at them.

AND...I clap back with, "It's not that I'm gay, I like to look good, I don't like having a giant gut, and I don't want type 2 diabetes."

It's wonderful. We all get along quite well. And I am made fun for dressing with class and not being a fatass. It's great.

Your redneck coworkers (society) give you crap about your fancy clothes and shoes (impose gender expectations on you). They call you gay and metrosexual often (to get you to conform to those expectations). Thanks for playing.

we live in a society...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Your redneck coworkers (society) give you crap about your fancy clothes and shoes (impose gender expectations on you).

Wrong. They are male clothes. 🙂 Just fancier than what working class blue collar works would wear while digging through power and network cables at a field site in 95F weather. Unlike me sitting in my nice AC office building arguing with a gay dude who has double my class and style.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They call you gay and metrosexual often (to get you to conform to those expectations). Thanks for playing.

You mean they jokingly ask me, right? Because I'm approachable, kind, and it's okay to make jokes at my expense because I won't fly off the handle at them like a b*tch?

Right?

That's what you mean to ask? And they won't fly off the handle when I passive aggressively call them fatass slobs?

etc. etc. and back and forth. That's what "friends" should do. Feels great.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wrong. They are male clothes. 🙂 Just fancier than what working class blue collar works would wear while digging through power and network cables at a field site in 95F weather. Unlike me sitting in my nice AC office building arguing with a gay dude who has double my class and style.

Male is a gender. Your clothes are fancier than your same-gendered counterparts, i.e. you are not comforming to the expectations of dress for your gender, so they give you shit to get you to conform.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
We all do. Gender is a set of expectations society assigns to a person on the basis of his sex at birth. Why do you think you walk, talk, and dress the way you do? Do you think those choices reflect your innate desires? Have you considered that you desire those things to conform to societal expectations of you? The difference between cisgender and transgender people is that dysphora makes the latter more conscious of it.

I'm priveleged in that I fit conventionally masculine ideals without much discomfort. Some of it's innate, some isn't. The aspects I dislike don't cost me much to discard. I don't care about cars, cute animals make my heart explode, I turn into a doting, baby-talking nurturer around kids, I prefer "girly" alcoholic drinks(beer tastes like shit, admit it), and mostly play female characters in video games, etc. Friends may make jokes, but no one seriously cares in most places.

The difference in my discussion with Scribberino is Scribb's express desire to be female, but having to reconcile these feelings with the outside world. I always get concerned when I hear "faith" or Jordan Peterson though. Faith can do massive good, but it also can inspire self-loathing, guilt-based actions or offer rationalizations for one's own social victimization. When I say I hope Scribby doesn't feel pressured to change, that is more what I mean: Be a fabulous female if that's what you fancy and aren't in physical danger. I hope the Scribster hasn't adjusted their identity to appease the anti-SJW or trans-critical crowds.

But, as I said, it looks like my kneejerk reaction is wrong. Scribby says they're happy, so I trust their emotional judgement. Only they know how they feel about it.

Originally posted by Surtur
if gender is a social construct then nobody should need to cut their dicks off to fit that construct.

Boom, enjoy that wisdom

Oddly, more transmen decide not to have surgery than transwomen. I wonder what causes the difference?

Originally posted by dadudemon
No you didn't. 🙂

It was always from a place of happiness and jokes. And since I don't have mental illnesses, I am able to acknowledge it as jokes without breaking down into tears. And since I'm not a b*tch, I don't get mad at them.

AND...I clap back with, "It's not that I'm gay, I like to look good, I don't like having a giant gut, and I don't want type 2 diabetes."

It's wonderful. We all get along quite well. And I am made fun for dressing with class and not being a fatass. It's great.

I would never shit on some guy I didn't know for being stylish, as I wouldn't want him to feel bad for liking fashion. It's an art like anything else, even if I dress like a manchild myself.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Of course, broski. Most of our reality is socially constructed. I've argued that on these forums before. I live in LA: the fact that we wear clothes at all is mostly due to social constructs around "decency." On most days here, there is zero need to cover your body. It extends to gender, monogamy, language, food, or a billion other things. Men wore high heels in cultures past, and we'd be in dresses or twerking in booty shorts if society wanted it that way.

I'm priveleged in that I fit conventionally masculine ideals without much discomfort. Some of it's innate, some isn't. The aspects I dislike don't cost me much to discard. I don't care about cars, cute animals make my heart explode, I turn into a doting, baby-talking nurturer around kids, I prefer "girly" alcoholic drinks(beer tastes like shit, admit it), and mostly play female characters in video games, etc. Friends may make jokes, but no one seriously cares in most places.

The difference in my discussion with Scribberino is Scribb's express desire to be female, but having to reconcile these feelings with the outside world. I always get concerned when I hear "faith" or Jordan Peterson though. Faith can do massive good, but it also can inspire self-loathing, guilt-based actions or offer rationalizations for one's own social victimization. When I say I hope Scribby doesn't feel pressured to change, that is more what I mean: Be a fabulous female if that's what you fancy and aren't in physical danger. I hope the Scribster hasn't adjusted their identity to appease the anti-SJW or trans-critical crowds.

But, as I said, it looks like my kneejerk reaction is wrong. Scribby says they're happy, so I trust their emotional judgement. Only they know how they feel about it.

Well said.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The difference in my discussion with Scribberino is Scribb's express desire to be female, but having to reconcile these feelings with the outside world. I always get concerned when I hear "faith" or Jordan Peterson though. Faith can do massive good, but it also can inspire self-loathing, guilt-based actions or offer rationalizations for one's own social victimization. When I say I hope Scribby doesn't feel pressured to change, that is more what I mean: Be a fabulous female if that's what you fancy and aren't in physical danger. I hope the Scribster hasn't adjusted their identity to appease the anti-SJW or trans-critical crowds.

I agree with this assessment, and suspect it may be what is going on.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm priveleged in that I fit conventionally masculine ideals without much discomfort. Some of it's innate, some isn't. The aspects I dislike don't cost me much to discard. I don't care about cars, cute animals make my heart explode, I turn into a doting, baby-talking nurturer around kids, I prefer "girly" alcoholic drinks(beer tastes like shit, admit it), and mostly play female characters in video games, etc. Friends may make jokes, but no one seriously cares in most places.

Everyone, including cisgender people, are reconciling their feelings with the outside world. The difference is that when your gender aligns to your sex, and you largely conform to the gender you are assigned, you notice it less, because it causes you less distress. And the closer you follow the rules in every day situations, the more leeway you are given on the occasions you step outside of them.

My point being, you hope Scribble does not feel pressure to change, as if you exist outside of the system that is pressuring her, and as if it is not also pressuring you in the exact same way.

Originally posted by Scribble
Eh, we're all learning about it, me included. It's a complex and deeply multifaceted issue. And don't worry, I can assure you that I'm happier, more assured and more comfortable with myself and my identity than I've ever been. I'm hoping to be more open about it as time goes on, though, so who knows.

Thanks for the Persona rec — I've been meaning to play them for a while now. I was probs going to go straight in with Persona 5; I've heard great things!

I think Jung should always be relevant to modern psychology, he's one of the gold standards imo. One of the truest geniuses of his and all time.

Do you have preferred pronouns?

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Well said.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Everyone, including cisgender people, are reconciling their feelings with the outside world. The difference is that when your gender aligns to your sex, and you largely conform to the gender you are assigned, you notice it less, because it causes you less distress. And the closer you follow the rules in every day situations, the more leeway you are given on the occasions you step outside of them.

My point being, you hope Scribble does not feel pressure to change, as if you exist outside of the system that is pressuring her, and as if it is not also pressuring you in the exact same way.

I totally recognize they're constructs placed upon us, but they generally snap into place for me or Surt or you or DDM. It caused anguish for Scrib, so I didn't want to equate my experience with hers. Me fawning over bunnies isn't the same thing, as it costs me nothing.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Do you have preferred pronouns?

I shouldn't be posting at 4 am. lol

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Male is a gender. Your clothes are fancier than your same-gendered counterparts, i.e. you are not comforming to the expectations of dress for your gender, so they give you shit to get you to conform.

Oooor, alternatively, it would be incredibly awkward for rednecks to tell each other they look good or dress well because they are insecure. I don't think I'm that good-looking but being fit makes you look amazingly handsome in a nation where 60%-80% of adults are overweight or obese. This is also the advice I tell any young man struggling to get a date: dress well/hygiene, get your fatass into great shape, and stop being so negative.

I understand how male bonding works. I understand how male insecurities work. Instead of me incorrectly interpreting their clearly playful jests as insults, I properly recognize them as just spoken insecurities.

This is why it's fine to be a transgender in Oklahoma. Pretty much no one will bother you unless you're close with them. And if someone does, there will be a pile of people to rage and beat down the bigot.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Now see, I dress like a 14 year old boy. I'm currently in gym shorts, a t-shirt, and beat up running shoes I'm too lazy to replace. I've given a friend shit for dressing fashionably, but as you said, it was in jest. I know him personally, and I know he knows I'm joking. I love him and wouldn't actually try to hurt his feelings. Similarly, he gives me shit over the inevitably neon pink, sugary cocktail I'll order if we have alcohol, or picking Princess Daisy or Rosalina in Mario Kart. There are toxic elements, but I think folks assume cisgendered heterosexual male spaces are always rigidly hostile environments. I think we underestimate the intimacy building power of playful ribbing among friends. /shrug

I would never shit on some guy I didn't know for being stylish, as I wouldn't want him to feel bad for liking fashion. It's an art like anything else, even if I dress like a manchild myself.

This is the 'real-world' interpretation of two straight men insulting each other over clearly "not bad" things. Does anyone REALLY think my feelings are hurt for telling me I look good (by jokingly accusing me of being metrosexual) for wearing an ironed, fitted, shirt from Express? How fragile does one have to be to think this is a genuine insult? It's just males bonding with back-handed compliments.

And, yes, I feel more comfortable around males who are relaxed enough to light-heartedly insult me. It's different if it comes from a place of malice and hatred and most people are emotionally intelligent enough to understand the difference between these two statements:

"Look at you walking around in your fancy clothes and perfect hair. It took you 10 minutes to do that hair, didn't it? Do I need to hid Joe from you when he bends over?"

and

"I wish you'd come out of the closet. I'm disgusted with you pretending to be straight. I get sick thinking about you spending alone time with Joe and I."

Clearly, both are insults. Clearly, one is light-hearted and the other comes from a place of malice. Adam_Poe thinks all insults are the second type and doesn't understand that the first type can actually be part of genuine male-bonding and brings men closer together.

If any woman wishes to transition to a man, she (soon to be he) needs to understand this male-bonding dynamic. And if their feelings are too sensitive, they could fail to bond and miss out on great opportunities to grow and mature as a man. Some of the best laughs come from well-thought-out insults with "your mates." I've been there, even laughing at myself, so hard my abs hurt and tears are running down our faces. It's among the best things in laugh is to have a good laugh with your mates. Knowing when to stop or if someone isn't feeling the insults is also part of social maturity.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Actually Scrib, you already answered that.

I shouldn't be posting at 4 am. lol

Sadly, Persona 4 for the PS2 seems to be super rare here, it's going for like £70?! I'm currently playing through Sekiro, then I'm going to play Dark Souls III, but I'll let you know what I think of P5 when I play it 👆 I also have Nier: Automata to play, which looks great.

We all love H.P. Lovecraft's works, and he was a massive racist.

Originally posted by Astner
We all love H.P. Lovecraft's works, and he was a massive racist.

Plus all the woke crowd are constantly trying to cancel Lovecraft, or 'subvert' his work, which basically means steal it. There was a Call of Cthulhu TTRPG one-shot run by the most famous TTRPG group at the moment (Critical Role) and they straight-up refused to even say his name.

Full disclosure: Lovecraft is my favourite writer, along with T.S. Eliot (who also has his own issues with race, etc.).

Yeah I've still not seen anyone from the left adequately argue she hates trans people.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Honestly, I'm not sure what our disagreement is Adam, my good sir. I said our reality is shaped by social constructs. I don't walk around in a panda suit even though I could in most places, for example. I'm not outside the system so much as I'm not discomforted by it.

I totally recognize they're constructs placed upon us, but they generally snap into place for me or Surt or you or DDM. It caused anguish for Scrib, so I didn't want to equate my experience with hers. Me fawning over bunnies isn't the same thing, as it costs me nothing.

I am just point out that your post, while well-meaning, is sort of patronizing. As if transgender people are in some sort of social prison that you are just visiting to offer your condolences. You are a prisoner too, you are just so used to it, that you no longer see the bars.