Supposed Transphobic J.K Rowling Comments

Started by StyleTime13 pages

Originally posted by Scribble
That's true, to a degree. But I still would say it's mostly my own decision — I know I could live that way fully, in fact the place I work is slightly left-leaning and big on trans rights and representation. There may be a degree of assumed social pressure in my mind, but it's mostly a conscious choice, as much as is possible.

Idk man. I don't really agree with a lot of the terminology, as I've said. I think a lot of the words carry too many connotations, and people have different interpretations of them anyway. If I could click my fingers and be a woman, then I'd do that, but obviously it's not that simple and I've tried to approach it from a primarily rational point of view. I don't feel feminine when I haven't shaved, so presenting female doesn't feel right to me; in those occasions I'm happy to go back to presenting male and, unlike in the past, no longer feel dysphoric. I feel like myself either way, as gender isn't the biggest issue in my life nor the most pronounced aspect of my personality — I clearly have a deep preference, but I've learned to be happy with both.

At the same time, this is why I still describe as 'trans', despite disagreeing with the term on many levels; I may not like it, but I live it, so I concede to the general term. I just don't feel the need to have it entirely define me, which again, involves my privileged surrounding and circumstances. However: fully living like this is pretty new to me, as I only started really dealing with it properly last year, so I couldn't say how I'll feel in the future. srug Part of me thinks that if I don't fit neatly into one of the checkboxes, then maybe the current model just isn't that useful or reflective of the nuances of reality.

I think humanity has a long way to go until it truly starts comprehending the complimenting and contrasting dichotomy of masculinity and femininity. Most of modern gender rhetoric has no reference to Jungian psychology, and as far as gender goes, most of my beliefs and philosophies on the subject come from Jung, particularly his concepts of the Shadow, Anima/Animus and the collective subconscious, so I can't really take it seriously with such a major gap in its grounding.


Well, I am not living your life, so you're the expert there. My dumb ass is definitely still learning about all this too, along with the majority of society. If you feel most comfortable as a non-binary, then more power to you. Gender fluidity is definitely a thing. 👆

As corny as it sounds, I just hope you're not feeling pressure, internal or external, to alter anything about yourself. Well, with regards to gender identity anyway. If you're out punching babies, stop doing that... uhuh

Side note: You might enjoy the Persona video games. JRPG based on Jungian archetypes, with the kids literally using their psychological defense mechanisms to battle their Shadow selves in dungeons representing their subconscious. I don't know that Jung's ideas are quite as relevant to modern psychology, but they make for incredible storytelling.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
I’m passable when I am in femme attire, but someone will notice at some point or another that I have certain androgynous traits not typically aligned with being female, i.e my height (I’m 6’1), body structure, etc. I do not have a prominent Adam’s apple and my body type is naturally slender. Honestly though, I couldn’t give two shits about being passable. I’m just here to have a good time and look cute while doing it.

👆 Hell yeah.

I've never actually asked you now that I think about it. How do you identify?

Oops. Double post.

Fight me. uhuh

^ I identify closely to how Scribble does, with few differences. I’m also aware that I’m a genetic male and fully admit that, and I don’t have shame in who I am, whatsoever. I’m proud of myself as a person and find labels pretty confusing, contradictory, and just silly.

The left wants to put labels on everyone and the right tends to diminish identity. I’m just myself. 😊

I’ll say this, for the life of me, I can’t understand why parents aren't jail for child abuse when they are forcing 10 years old to change genders via surgery.

Originally posted by SquallX
I’ll say this, for the life of me, I can’t understand why parents aren't jail for child abuse when they are forcing 10 years old to change genders via surgery.

Agreed. It’s child abuse, plain and simple.

I don't get it, either.

Why the blind eye, with all these supposedly overprotective parents around?

Is it really as simple as most parents simply shrugging and thinking "Yeah well, not my kid"?

Originally posted by cdtm
What if he doesn't want to? 🙂

Is it ok to shun identity, and just be?

Gender is a system in which the rest of society is heavily-invested. You can say "screw the system" all you like, but it is going to be forced on you by others one way or another. It is pretty inescapable.

Originally posted by StyleTime
As corny as it sounds, I just hope you're not feeling pressure, internal or external, to alter anything about yourself.

We all do. Gender is a set of expectations society assigns to a person on the basis of his sex at birth. Why do you think you walk, talk, and dress the way you do? Do you think those choices reflect your innate desires? Have you considered that you desire those things to conform to societal expectations of you? The difference between cisgender and transgender people is that dysphora makes the latter more conscious of it.

Originally posted by SquallX
I’ll say this, for the life of me, I can’t understand why parents aren't jail for child abuse when they are forcing 10 years old to change genders via surgery.

There are no 10-year-olds having gender confirmation surgery. The only medical intervention at that age is medication to delay the onset of puberty, so the child can choose whether to go through male or female puberty as a young adult. Surgeries would not come into play until adulthood.

But since you are so concerned about irreversible, medically-unnecessary cosemtic procedures on children, what is your stance on circumcision?

Originally posted by cdtm
I don't get it, either.

Why the blind eye, with all these supposedly overprotective parents around?

Is it really as simple as most parents simply shrugging and thinking "Yeah well, not my kid"?

Gender transitions are done with the consent of the parents and supervised by medical and psychological doctors. Trans children have more oversight and scrutiny than the people feigning concern about them.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
There are no 10-year-olds having gender confirmation surgery. The only medical intervention at that age is medication to delay the onset of puberty, so the child can choose whether to go through male or female puberty as a young adult. Surgeries would not come into play until adulthood.

The very prevention of a normal and biological puberty is also child abuse in the truest sense of the term - false equivalencies are abound in your arguments. If you can’t see that correlation then your stance on this is stunted.

The fact is that there are some parents who will immediately cling to every ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ whim of their child and use it to create a narrative of transgenderism. This is child abuse, plain and simple. You’re sugar coating and overlooking with simple generalizations without objective experience due to your lack of understanding on said issue.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
^ I identify closely to how Scribble does, with few differences. I’m also aware that I’m a genetic male and fully admit that, and I don’t have shame in who I am, whatsoever. I’m proud of myself as a person and find labels pretty confusing, contradictory, and just silly.

The left wants to put labels on everyone and the right tends to diminish identity. I’m just myself. 😊

Beautifully said, I couldn't put it any better myself!

Originally posted by Eon Blue
The very prevention of a normal and biological puberty is also child abuse in the truest sense of the term - false equivalencies are abound in your arguments. If you can’t see that correlation then your stance on this is stunted.

The fact is that there are some parents who will immediately cling to every ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ whim of their child and use it to create a narrative of transgenderism. This is child abuse, plain and simple. You’re sugar coating and overlooking with simple generalizations without objective experience due to your lack of understanding on said issue.

100% agreed. Jumping on the trans bandwagon to 'save lives' will ultimately mess up more kids than it will save, especially with how the narrative is going — and the attempted slow erasure of homosexuality (as such a concept is anathema to an ideology without a stable definition of biological sex) comes along with that.

I think puberty blockers and any physical interfering with children in that way is genuine evil, even when done with 'good intentions'. Well, the path to Hell and all, you know what they say about that...

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, I am not living your life, so you're the expert there. My dumb ass is definitely still learning about all this too, along with the majority of society. If you feel most comfortable as a non-binary, then more power to you. Gender fluidity is definitely a thing. 👆

As corny as it sounds, I just hope you're not feeling pressure, internal or external, to alter anything about yourself. Well, with regards to gender identity anyway. If you're out punching babies, stop doing that... uhuh

Side note: You might enjoy the Persona video games. JRPG based on Jungian archetypes, with the kids literally using their psychological defense mechanisms to battle their Shadow selves in dungeons representing their subconscious. I don't know that Jung's ideas are quite as relevant to modern psychology, but they make for incredible storytelling.

Eh, we're all learning about it, me included. It's a complex and deeply multifaceted issue. And don't worry, I can assure you that I'm happier, more assured and more comfortable with myself and my identity than I've ever been. I'm hoping to be more open about it as time goes on, though, so who knows.

Thanks for the Persona rec — I've been meaning to play them for a while now. I was probs going to go straight in with Persona 5; I've heard great things!

I think Jung should always be relevant to modern psychology, he's one of the gold standards imo. One of the truest geniuses of his and all time.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Gender is a system in which the rest of society is heavily-invested. You can say "screw the system" all you like, but it is going to be forced on you by others one way or another. It is pretty inescapable.

I don't think so. Seems like people can choose whatever they want and if anyone else gets mad at them for it or mocks them for it, thousands of angry social justice warriors will assemble.

if gender is a social construct then nobody should need to cut their dicks off to fit that construct.

Boom, enjoy that wisdom

Originally posted by Eon Blue
The very prevention of a normal and biological puberty is also child abuse in the truest sense of the term - false equivalencies are abound in your arguments. If you can’t see that correlation then your stance on this is stunted.

The fact is that there are some parents who will immediately cling to every ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ whim of their child and use it to create a narrative of transgenderism. This is child abuse, plain and simple. You’re sugar coating and overlooking with simple generalizations without objective experience due to your lack of understanding on said issue.

No, it is not. Pausing development before making an irreversible choice is a sensible thing to do. The alternative is to allow children to develop as one gender or another without certainty.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think so. Seems like people can choose whatever they want and if anyone else gets mad at them for it or mocks them for it, thousands of angry social justice warriors will assemble.

Is that so? Go out in Oklahoma dressed as woman and tell us how that works out for you. Do not forget to take pictures.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Is that so? Go out in Oklahoma dressed as woman and tell us how that works out for you. Do not forget to take pictures.

All I had to do with ask the person a couple of offices aware from me. She said she didn't experience that type of bullying since high school when she decided to transition. That it's been great and supportive, here, and people are very kind to her. She did mention the weird questions that are far too personal, though. Seems pretty normal for people who are just morbidly curious about wieners and trans people.

So did you forget that Oklahoma is, by far, the most polite state in the US? Like, it's not even close. We were something like 20 points ahead of any other state. WEEEEEE!

Originally posted by dadudemon
All I had to do with ask the person a couple of offices aware from me. She said she didn't experience that type of bullying since high school when she decided to transition. That it's been great and supportive, here, and people are very kind to her. She did mention the weird questions that are far too personal, though. Seems pretty normal for people who are just morbidly curious about wieners and trans people.

So did you forget that Oklahoma is, by far, the most polite state in the US? Like, it's not even close. We were something like 20 points ahead of any other state. WEEEEEE!

Irrelevant. The point is for you to demonstrate that society does not impose gender on individuals by going out into your community, clearly defying the expectations assigned to you on the basis of your sex. Put some nice barrettes in your hair, and wear a nice, frilly dress, and tell us how welcoming people were, and how you totally did not get any strange looks at all. Remember, pics or it didn't happen.