Ultimate Captain America vs 616 Captain America

Originally posted by carver9
It's a FACT that Ultimate Cap is stronger than 616.

Throws a Boulder like its candy...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924980-cap%20feat%20strength%20%283%29.png

Lifts a slab of street that also had a car on it...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924981-cap%20feat%20strength%20%284%29.png

Lifts a tree with ease that was big enough to stop a truck...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924982-cap%20feat%20strength%20%285%29.jpg

Stalemates Spiderman in a strength lock...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/6049388-cap%20feat%20strength%20%289%29.jpg

Same Spidey did this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/6049390-spidey%20feat%20strength%20%2810%29.jpg

Catch Valkyrie punch as if it is nothing...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5924988-cap%20feat%20strength%20%2811%29.jpg

Cap overpowers a group of enhanced beings...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925149-cap%20vs%20abdul%20%2311%20%2813%29.png

Same beings tipped over the statue of liberty...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925148-5.png

There's more but its no contest. The strength difference is HUGE. Durability as well and I think Ultimate Cap fights good enough to make these huge advantages mean something.

Which one of those feats exactly you can't see 616 Steve replicating?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Wtf. Is there some context for this? Lol

The context is that it is Batman.

Most likely a batkick.

Then again we never saw. Right saint? 😏

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Most likely a batkick.

Then again we never saw. Right saint? 😏

No we didn't.

All we know is that Batman is able to cause damage far beyond cruise missiles, with a projectile like Dr Death. Whether he pushed him, punched, kicked, or used a Batgadget- no idea. That's why I also mentioned the bazooka feat 🙂

Is Dr Death super-durable?

Unless Dr Death was just wrong about the door, like the comic says.

In which case the feat is still ridiculous, but doesn’t invite h1 cruise missile math.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No we didn't.

All we know is that Batman is able to cause damage far beyond cruise missiles, with a projectile like Dr Death. Whether he pushed him, punched, kicked, or used a Batgadget- no idea. That's why I also mentioned the bazooka feat 🙂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is Dr Death super-durable?

Hey, like you and I said, it's comics. My original point was that Cap has these moments, and so does Batman.

I mean, I can rationalise it all if you so desire....easily.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is Dr Death super-durable?

Batman was pulling his punches.

Just like he does on Superman.

Originally posted by cdtm
Batman was pulling his punches.

Just like he does on Superman.

When Bane, a peak human, takes Venom, he becomes superhuman.

When Batman takes Venom, he bloodied Kryptonians.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Anyway, Wing is more than welcome to try to argue how Ultimate Cap is superior physically.

In a way, he's not wrong, as 616 Cap fluctuated a lot through different eras --- some writers wanted him to be a powerless peak human, some wrote him as a legit meta, some (Brubaker) managed to retcon the meaning of SSS peak human... and some were undecided.

While the Ultimate Cap was meant to be a legit meta from his first appearance to his last one.

Okay let's compare show me one of 616 best strength and durabliity feats.

The speed and accuracy of 616's shield throwing feat is very impressive I gotta say. Yeah it does seemed like what superhuman class could do.

My consensus was based on their physical stats: Ultimate Cap > MCU Cap > 616 Cap. I could very well be wrong.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey, like you and I said, it's comics. My original point was that Cap has these moments, and so does Batman.

I mean, I can rationalise it all if you so desire....easily.

No, no. I agree with you on that.

I'm just really asking.

Because I googled him and something was mentioned about superhuman physicals, but that might have been a different character or rebooted version.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, no. I agree with you on that.

I'm just really asking.

Because I googled him and something was mentioned about superhuman physicals, but that might have been a different character or rebooted version.

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Okay let's compare show me one of 616 best strength and durabliity feats.

Will do later.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
The speed and accuracy of 616's shield throwing feat is very impressive I gotta say. Yeah it does seemed like what superhuman class could do.

My consensus was based on their physical stats: Ultimate Cap > MCU Cap > 616 Cap. I could very well be wrong.

MCU Cap is movie-level impressive but his best feats don’t touch comic-level Steve.

Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Okay let's compare show me one of 616 best strength and durabliity feats.

Pulls down a small battle chopper and makes it crash:

https://i.imgur.com/BDsaLvH.jpg

Lifts and carries a telephone pole:

https://i.imgur.com/eHFtnM1.jpg

Lifts a tree over his head and tosses it away:

https://tinyurl.com/ybzp964n

Carries an I-beam:

https://i.imgur.com/8J6RQQo.jpg

Breaks metal restraints:

https://i.imgur.com/GOt2zBj.jpg

Tears a riotbot's arm off:

https://i.imgur.com/295HUUt.jpg

Tackles a guy through a tree, breaking it in two:

https://i.imgur.com/wyYCRBk.jpg

Insane leg strength while underwater:

https://i.imgur.com/GpH0GXV.jpg

Dinosaur-men swarm all over Steve, he gets them off him:

https://i.imgur.com/0kvbIr5.jpg

He is disguised as Crossbones here; he military press lifts General Wo (big bastard) and throws him on the ropes:

https://i.imgur.com/ZUS9j7a.jpg

Pries open a Mandroid's helmet off (and these models were made out of omnium):

https://i.imgur.com/0b6ewsk.jpg

Not Using Shield:

*Strength*

(pulling Giant Pym down to the ground with his bare hands and some acrobatics)

https://imgur.com/a/DybP5

*height tolerance*

https://imgur.com/a/187Am

https://imgur.com/a/PLHT2

*Healing Factor*

(Stated: Genuine Superhuman)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925022-cap%20feat%20healing%20factor%20%284%29.jpg

(Stated: Ribs cracked, nose broken, left arm dislocated will heal in day or two)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11132/111327527/5925023-cap%20feat%20healing%20factor%20%283%29.jpg

*Tactical knowledge*

(Smart, learns faster, reliable)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5025131-cap%20feat%20genius%20%283%29.png

https://imgur.com/BCOvv7h

(testing Wolverine)

https://imgur.com/a/XMR2H

*Durability*

(Abomination punch Cap through wall)

https://imgur.com/hQo9N16

(Herr Kleiser brutally beats and bashes Cap with Rebar who is said to have equal stats as Cap or more)

https://imgur.com/a/3SGmj

(Giant Pym palmstrikes Cap on top of car that is hard enough to break and flattened that car)

https://imgur.com/NR7FWYT

(grenade blows up in front of Cap's face)

https://imgur.com/a/Kb2Ib

*Speed*

(Sprint 8 or 9 blocks in seconds)

https://i.imgur.com/uG2QT45.jpg

(Leap and run through a crowd of gun blazing)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11132/111327527/5925057-cap%20feat%20speed%20%282%29.jpg

(Quick reaction to grab food tray to block tranquilizer shots)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111327527/5925056-cap%20feat%20speed%20%281%29.jpg

(Quick reaction to create shockwave while gun blazing)

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_medium/11132/111327527/5925058-cap%20feat%20speed%20%284%29.jpg

Using shield but showing strength:

(knocks down Hulk)

https://imgur.com/a/pxpzE

(fighting Avenger team)

https://imgur.com/a/SDp7G

(Shield bash to knock out 75 tonner super durable Juggarnaunt on the head)

https://imgur.com/a/tDylA

(Shield swing to decap Asguardian monster)

https://imgur.com/a/eCRCC

(one non-dominant hand throwing shield to break helicopter's blade)

https://imgur.com/DXvtzPt

Carver showed those earlier feats, the ones showing Spider-man matching Cap's strength, lifting the concrete slab with car on it, and kicking Valkyrie are impressive. Ultimate Spider-Man is said to be using 10 tons of strength when lifting semi-truck or more.

👆

Cool, we can make this thread last a good few pages.