Cap gets punched through the roof into tjmhe sky
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Cap gets punched through the roof into tjmhe sky
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Originally posted by HulkIsHulkTbf to Carver, ‘stale’ is the nicest word for this art.
Cap gets punched through the roof into tjmhe sky
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah the Gambit feat is pretty crazy. His armour is pretty tough so would need a LOT of energy to explode, and then you'd have super tough shrapnel next to your skin.
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The armor saved Cap's arm from Ulik's teeth:
After that scene, Stark scanned his arm and commented how there was no major damage and that Steve's armor is pretty damn impressive.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
👆The armor saved Cap's arm from Ulik's teeth:
After that scene, Stark scanned his arm and commented how there was no major damage and that Steve's armor is pretty damn impressive.
Did they show Thor's arm after?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
[B]@LoveSaint69It's from the "Thor Disassembled" arc (Thor #81).
I don't see any wound or bite marks on Thor's arm, sadly. I'm very disappointed.
😂
Oeming was consistent.
https://i.imgur.com/c46BWoo.jpg
Also, very unnerving to see waif Volstagg.
I haven't looked through all the scans yet too many. It's hard to find ways to best 616 in terms of skills in shield throwing,combat speed and reflexes because obviously Ultimate Cap's limited scans.
Ameridroid's height is about 12 feet tall compared to Ultimate Pym is around 60 feet. Significant height difference. However, Ameridroid is an android enhanced with Super Soldier Serum. But I think strength and durability still would favor Pym because of his size. Pym was quite angry at that time.
They both fought Hulk pretty well, knocking him down unconscious. However, 616 was supported by Spider-man delivering that final punch to the Hulk at the end. I think I need to read the whole issue on 616 Cap fighting the Hulk to really understand what's going on.
Well, my decision on who wins is more undecided after seeing all those beyond superhuman throwing shield, exceptional combat speed, and reflexes feats from 616 like when 616 threw his shield faster than the rocket propelling upwards towards the sky and slicing it in two. That is beyond what real physics can do assuming the flying rocket doesn't slow down in mid-air, which is highly unlikely. Well, comic logic goes above real logic or all logic so anything can be possible once it's in comics. It can't be explained.
Although Caps' fight is without their shield and a few 616 scans might be outlier like the one where the bullet went through 616's head and Doctors pronounced him brain dead but 616 woke up suddenly. Outlier is still his feat nonetheless but I read some other people's arguments saying that outlier is not credible. Do Ultimate and 616's feats have to be consistent with his skill set or ability assets to be considered a viable feat ? Frankly, I have no clue.
616 Cap breaking the Omnium restraints is amazing superhuman strength feat no doubt. Hard to best that one. Incredible forearm muscles. As well as the underwater 616's leg strength feat is great too. Onslaught bleeding feat is good too. I thought Onslaught was one opponent that 616 Cap wouldn't dare to confront face to face. What I assumed was in most encounters that 616 Cap faces, he would face villlain that are much weaker than Ultimate Cap.
616 Cap prying the Omnium helmet open is good too but he's not really ripping the Omnium helmet into pieces, it was designed to be opened like that so not really breaking the full strength the Omnium metal. In another scan, 616 using his shield to decap Ultron drone is a good feat too but he's using Adamantium Shield to break some thin springs so that don't really convince me as much.
Anyways, I think it's better to compare both Cap fighting the same person like the Hulk.
Although I know Ultimate universe in general is weaker to the 616 so that would give an advantage to 616.
Pertaining to both Cap's fighting mentality, behavior, and style. Ultimate Cap is more ruthless, willing to kill and quite keen on using firearms and thus the reason why he takes on impossible odds. For 616 Cap, he is more for honor, justice, freedom, moral code, fairness, calm type of person like kinda opposite of Ultimate Cap. Both have strategic and tactical knowledge. How the fighting scenario would be like in a typical street fight. It all depends. Grappling at the end and overpowering with strength and durability would be what Ultimate Cap typically would do but 616 is also well versed in those department to a standstill. Let's just say that they're equally match, more or less to small degree. Nerve pinching, pressure points, and joint locking until submission would be more like 616 and he has a relatively good chance of successfully executing that kind of attack because of his insane quick reflexes and combat speed. Although 616 might let his guard down once he's in a positional advantage because of his CIS and morality and that would ultimately turn the fight around.
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
I haven't looked through all the scans yet too many. It's hard to find ways to best 616 in terms of skills in shield throwing,combat speed and reflexes because obviously Ultimate Cap's limited scans.
Take your time.
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Ameridroid's height is about 12 feet tall compared to Ultimate Pym is around 60 feet. Significant height difference. However, Ameridroid is an android enhanced with Super Soldier Serum. But I think strength and durability still would favor Pym because of his size. Pym was quite angry at that time.
18 feet tall, actually:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ameridrd.htm
And, as you noted, it was an android (with a human mind) designed to mimick Cap's physical attributes.
Ultimate Pym was a nerd with a glass jaw; he was no athlete, no fighter. Specialised in beating his girlfriend.
616 Pym knew karate and has had been an Avenger longer than Cap... and this is what Steve did to him:
(now that I think of it, Marvel probably retconned Civil War Pym to be a Skrull... but the feat remains impressive).
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
They both fought Hulk pretty well, knocking him down unconscious. However, 616 was supported by Spider-man delivering that final punch to the Hulk at the end. I think I need to read the whole issue on 616 Cap fighting the Hulk to really understand what's going on.
It's from Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America. Issue 4.
Sure, 616 Cap had assistance, but the Hulk got knocked out cold.
Ultimate Hulk was only stunned or flash ko'd, at best. He got up and destroyed Steve.
And, as we saw in that issue, Ultimate Hulk managed to steamroll Ultimates... who needed a plot device to take him out. So he obviously wasn't bothered too much by Ult. Steve's love-taps, which had no lasting effect.
PS. One more thing --- Ultimate Steve had some "assistance", too --- he had a f*cking tank which was dropped on Ult. Hulk's head.
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
616 Cap prying the Omnium helmet open is good too but he's not really ripping the Omnium helmet into pieces, it was designed to be opened like that so not really breaking the full strength the Omnium metal.
He had to bust all of the helmet's hinges/locking mechanisms in order to do so, though. It wasn't easy. But I see what you're saying.
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
In another scan, 616 using his shield to decap Ultron drone is a good feat too but he's using Adamantium Shield to break some thin springs so that don't really convince me as much.
Tsk tsk.
616 shield is not made out of adamantium.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tsk tsk.616 shield is not made out of adamantium.
Well part of it. Alloy of adamantium and vibranium. Proto-adamantium. Both properties work together in conjuction. One of a kind. Better than true-adamantium. Some sources (wiki) say Ultron's drone is made from steel and secondary adamantium. Only prime Ultron's outer armor is primarily made of true-adamantium due to the lack of resources and since they give all the true-adamantium to Ultron's body.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
👆Any scans you want to add?
Or you're silently cheerleading for the Ultimate Cap here? 😖hifty:
My shield throw is the best one here sneer
I am firmly on the side of 616. Yeah, sure, Ult. Cap is more 'ruthless'. But that's a terrible argument to make - it's not as if 616 Cap has never fought anyone who is out to kill/hurt him, lol. I don't think he has CIS in that regard - besides, there are plenty of ways to disable/disarm an opponent without killing them.
Size shouldn't matter at all - otherwise, Pym would be stronger than Hulk.
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Well part of it. Alloy of adamantium and vibranium. Proto-adamantium. Both properties work together in conjuction. One of a kind. Better than true-adamantium.
Many writers mistake it for an alloy of adamantium and vibranium (happens so often, one might start wondering if it's not a retcon).
But the correct answer is that it's made out of vibranium and an experimental steel alloy (uknown factor was involved, so we'll never known its exact composition).
Adamantium didn't exist at the time - Myron MacLain created it by trying to recreate the shield.
Also, it's worth noting how Asgardian dwarves added the Uru metal to the mix, after the events of Fear Itself.
Originally posted by xXI_wing_IXx
Some sources (wiki) say Ultron's drone is made from steel and secondary adamantium. Only prime Ultron's outer armor is primarily made of true-adamantium due to the lack of resources and since they give all the true-adamantium to Ultron's body.
Yeah, Ultron drones aren't as tough.
Which is exactly why I used it to counter your example of decapitating some Asgardian fodder and not one of the better feats.
