Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaeI can't take communist sympathisers seriously. But we should, because it won't make communism any less of a threat.
Pooty is so dumb that he's on record saying that there are "good kinds of communism and bad kinds of comunism" lol.That's like saying "there are good kinds of shit sandwiches and bad kinds of shit sandwiches" lol.
Originally posted by vansonbee
Would the charges be any different, if the flag was an American flag? 😂
No. Only Texas has the "defend property up to including deadly force." No other state has such a law that I am aware of and I've looked on the internet. Texas is "special."
It could have been a flag of Obama's face. Still would get the same charges in Oklahoma.
Originally posted by Scribble
So do you think communist flags, such as the hammer and sickle, should be allowed to be flown in the US?
Up here in Canada, you can buy USSR/Red Army t-shirts with the hammer and sickle on it at an army surplus store, and no one cares. The only thing that should be verboten anywhere is the swastika.
I guess if I approve of activists taking Confederate flags off of monuments, then I have to say the same for people taking down swastika flags anywhere, even if it's someone's front or backyard.
Originally posted by roughrider👆 Agree totally.
Up here in Canada, you can buy USSR/Red Army t-shirts with the hammer and sickle on it at an army surplus store, and no one cares. The only thing that should be verboten anywhere is the swastika.I guess if I approve of activists taking Confederate flags off of monuments, then I have to say the same for people taking down swastika flags anywhere, even if it's someone's front or backyard.
Originally posted by roughriderBad take, the hammer and the sickle is the symbol of more death than Nazism and the Confederates combined + millions upon millions more
Up here in Canada, you can buy USSR/Red Army t-shirts with the hammer and sickle on it at an army surplus store, and no one cares. The only thing that should be verboten anywhere is the swastika.I guess if I approve of activists taking Confederate flags off of monuments, then I have to say the same for people taking down swastika flags anywhere, even if it's someone's front or backyard.
Originally posted by roughrider
Up here in Canada, you can buy USSR/Red Army t-shirts with the hammer and sickle on it at an army surplus store, and no one cares. The only thing that should be verboten anywhere is the swastika.I guess if I approve of activists taking Confederate flags off of monuments, then I have to say the same for people taking down swastika flags anywhere, even if it's someone's front or backyard.
Nah, let the Nazi's fly their swastikas.
The only thing I care about is people physically harming other people. Words never hurt anyone.
And no, I don't buy the "incites people to violence" logic. You can't make someone do anything unless that's who they really are. I would never, ever attack someone.. No matter who's telling me different.
Originally posted by Scribble
Bad take, the hammer and the sickle is the symbol of more death than Nazism and the Confederates combined + millions upon millions more
It's not as much about numbers as it's about intent. If Hitler's death numbers are lower, it's because his rule only lasted 12 years. Besides wiping out all Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Jehovah's Witness and others, he would have reduced the entire population of the Soviet Union by half and enslaved the rest, if he had succeeded in conquering the country. As it is, half of the 50 million dead from WW2 were Russians anyway.
The Swastika stands for the supremacy of the Aryan nation above all other 'inferior' races. The hammer and sickle were meant to represent the freedom and equality of the working class to those in power. We can argue about the methods used to make those ideas come into being in places like Russia, China, Cuba and several other countries - was so much brutality and death needed to make the country better - but there's no nation in the world that has clean hands with it's history.
Originally posted by roughrider👆 excellent post, let's add the CCCP is long gone and Nazi's are still here.
It's not as much about numbers as it's about intent. If Hitler's death numbers are lower, it's because his rule only lasted 12 years. Besides wiping out all Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Jehovah's Witness and others, he would have reduced the entire population of the Soviet Union by half and enslaved the rest, if he had succeeded in conquering the country. As it is, half of the 50 million dead from WW2 were Russians anyway.The Swastika stands for the supremacy of the Aryan nation above all other 'inferior' races. The hammer and sickle were meant to represent the freedom and equality of the working class to those in power. We can argue about the methods used to make those ideas come into being in places like Russia, China, Cuba and several other countries - was so much brutality and death needed to make the country better - but there's no nation in the world that has clean hands with it's history.
LoL@ "it"s not just about the numbers, it's about intentions."
As if Communists have ever actually had benign intentions. Communism is every bit as disgusting as an ideology as Naziism is... and is certainly a hell of a lot more disgusting than the Confederacy was as most of the people who fought for the Confederacy weren't doing it to protect slavery but instead to protect their homes, lands, families, and their states' right to secede from the union (which happened because they were being unfairly overtaxed to death, not because they wanted to protect slavery).
The only reason commie sympathizers use a stupid argument like "it's about the intentions more than the numbers" is because it's the communists who have committed far more atrocities in the name of their disgusting ideology. It's just a convenient out for them because they actually agree, at least in some respects, with the goals of communism but just don't have the balls to own it.
Read the Communist manifesto to get a good idea of its overall goals. I'm sure you can do a Google search for it. Some of the things I remember about it that stood out to me were the total abolishment of private property and making individuals completely subservient to the state.
Under Communism, everything an individual has belongs to the government, even the person's life. It does away completely with individualism in favor of collectivist crap. Under communism, the government controls everything and can seize anything and everything anyone owns for the so-called "collective good" with no compensation to the individual who had his or her stuff stolen by the state.
It's an abhorrent ideology, government and economic system. Like I said, read the communist Manifesto to get a better understanding. I believe it's pretty short from what I remember and, iirc, it was written by Karl Marx (someone who pooty/whirly idolizes lol).
Edit: another thing, individuals have no right to privacy under communism either. In fact, individual rights are done away with entirely. The government may allow you to have the illusion that you have certain rights but those can be stripped away at a moment's notice if the government deems it necessary or beneficial to the state.
I do think that in the hammer and sickle and the swastika as symbols are qualitatively very different in the west. People that wave a swastika are endorsing anti-semitic, white supremacist fascism, that is more or less the only message that is been sent by this symbol, the hammer and sickle, while not a symbol I would choose, does not mean that the person wearing it is endorsing Stalinism or some other form of monstrous communism. People that wear or use it may endorse less monstrous forms of real existing communism, or even just socialism. It may also be used as a general symbol of solidarity with the working class. Or some sort of vague "**** the status quo" message. Saying that they are equivalent symbols just doesn't hold up to scrutiny, imo, which is also why they get treated very differently in most western jurisdictions.