question for the "pronoun people"

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
I wasn't aware there was any money NHS, I really doubt these claims of "fast-tracking" have anything to do with 'grubby' doctors trying to cash-in.

On the other hand there are only two major GIDS clinics in the UK serving a population of 66 million, with waiting times averaging at about two years. This seems a recipe for disaster in terms of providing effective, dedicated treatment.

https://quillette.com/2020/01/17/why-i-resigned-from-tavistock-trans-identified-children-need-therapy-not-just-affirmation-and-drugs/ — "Why I Resigned from Tavistock: Trans-Identified Children Need Therapy, Not Just ‘Affirmation’ and Drugs"

But yeah, the ironic part is that adult trans people don't actually get the services they need. The NHS is corrupt, and so are the Tories that defund it. Everything around us is mired in shit.

Originally posted by Scribble
I agree, but I don't trust modern doctors nor many modern mental health professionals. The more more "female brains in male bodies" route we go, the more transitioning children we get.

Either way, a year of therapy MINIMUM before any decision to transition on public healthcare. If your distress can be alleviated by therapy, there is no call for a full sex change to be bankrolled by the taxpayer.

But America don't need to care 'bout that. It's all about the money.

Also hence why so many UK trans kids are middle-to-upper class socialists.

It's not the science we deserve but it's the science we get.......how can we prove "female brains in male bodies" it's like the opposite of the scientific process 😕

Originally posted by Scribble
That was specifically about Bashar Teg repeatedly referring to me and Eon as "traps" and "drag queens" in a specifically derogatory manner, despite knowing we were trans, plus him weaponising my trans identity when talking to Surtur in the past.

Is Eon trans? I was under the impression they identified as male but liked to present themselves in a feminine fashion; a "femboy" if you will.

What do you mean by weaponizing your trans identity?

If I'm gonna get used as a battering ram to "own the Trumpers" or whatever you want, then I'm certainly going to point those people out when they act in a manner considered actually transphobic, and may go harder on them to respect my pronouns to 'test their faith'. I find it interesting to see how some nominally left-aligned people can totally flip on their supposed alliance with minority people when those minorities disagree with them. Unsurprisingly, these people are usually straight, white males. Imagine my shock.

I've said on an occasion or two that Bashar Teg/PVS is the leftist version of flyattractor, just smarter and admittedly much funnier (he makes the best memes). Also seemingly angrier. And I don't understand why some people here make themselves look worse defending him so much.

I didn't see those posts but yeah, if he was using your trans identity as an insult then he was being transphobic, even if he was just doing it to piss you off and he didn't really "believe it" or whatever.

where are these posts. you've been asked several times

Originally posted by Surtur
Also Scrib if you will remember, you have had some changes in terms of your identity.

Well obviously you remember, but what I'm saying is you probably also remember times when I did refer to you as female. One of my "what u doing guuurl" type posts.

Though I did sometimes slip up and refer to you as a he. And then you said you changed how you identify.

Point is I made an effort and there is no reason for me to do it if I despise all trans people, etc.

Also, I'm seeing xyz lumped in with the "KMC leftists".

Am I missing something? It's hard to pin the political beliefs of such a disingenuous poster down but when the phuck did he start coming across as leftist? Or as a friend to Robtard and friends? Last I remember they were clowning him for trying to diddle a 14 year old girl.

I know I don't post or read the board like I once did but things can't have changed that much, right?

Originally posted by snowdragon
It's not the science we deserve but it's the science we get.......how can we prove "female brains in male bodies" it's like the opposite of the scientific process 😕

Do you agree? mmm

Originally posted by NemeBro
Is Eon trans? I was under the impression they identified as male but liked to present themselves in a feminine fashion; a "femboy" if you will.

What do you mean by weaponizing your trans identity?

I've said on an occasion or two that Bashar Teg/PVS is the leftist version of flyattractor, just smarter and admittedly much funnier (he makes the best memes). Also seemingly angrier. And I don't understand why some people here make themselves look worse defending him so much.

I didn't see those posts but yeah, if he was using your trans identity as an insult then he was being transphobic, even if he was just doing it to piss you off and he didn't really "believe it" or whatever.

By 'weaponising', I mean it in multiple ways — using me as a battering ram against Surtur, but also just using it in a way of getting to me, i.e. knowing that pecking at my trans identity would effect me somehow, and with negative intentions. Just generally using my trans identity as a weapon, both against me and others on multiple occasions.

You are right generally about Bash. Can't say I disagree with any of it. Everyone loves Voltron — it's one of the funniest concepts in KMC history, and the gif is straight gold.

Originally posted by Scribble
Look up the Tavistock.

https://quillette.com/2020/01/17/why-i-resigned-from-tavistock-trans-identified-children-need-therapy-not-just-affirmation-and-drugs/ — "Why I Resigned from Tavistock: Trans-Identified Children Need Therapy, Not Just ‘Affirmation’ and Drugs"

But yeah, the ironic part is that adult trans people don't actually get the services they need. The NHS is corrupt, and so are the Tories that defund it. Everything around us is mired in shit.

Anyway, they are facing legal proceedings now so I guess something is going to have to give.

Originally posted by DarthAloysius
Familiar with Tavistock and have read many articles like that one, certainly seems like the issue has become over politicised and thats resulting in a lack of due diligence as well.

Anyway, they are facing legal proceedings now so I guess something is going to have to give.

Originally posted by Scribble
I won't speak for Eon herself, but she would be considered trans by modern definitions, certainly. Please do ask her herself though, as I'm not one to explain someone else's identity in such a way.

By 'weaponising', I mean it in multiple ways — using me as a battering ram against Surtur, but also just using it in a way of getting to me, i.e. knowing that pecking at my trans identity would effect me somehow, and with negative intentions. Just generally using my trans identity as a weapon, both against me and others on multiple occasions.

You are right generally about Bash. Can't say I disagree with any of it. Everyone loves Voltron — it's one of the funniest concepts in KMC history, and the gif is straight gold.

If Eon wants to tell me their preferred pronoun after reading my last post or this one that's fine, but I'm not going to go to her and try to get an answer out of her. For now I'll just assume you're right and use feminine pronouns and I have no problem with correcting this if it's wrong.

If that's true that's definitely wrong, but I will say this: it is very interesting that Surtur is buddy buddy with you after a history of bias against trans people and even on occasion referring to them with dehumanizing terms like "thing" or "it".

If Surtur softened his stance for whatever reason and genuinely doesn't feel that way anymore about trans people in general (even if he opposes some trans issues, like children transitioning which is a much more reasonable stance than him saying all trannies are delusional and mentally ill (and using mentally ill as a pejorative) or attention seekers) that's one thing. But if not, how does that sit with you?

Originally posted by Scribble
You Are Wondering How It Realistically Lamentably Yearns for better science. I understand, and I think DarthAloysius is, too.

Do you agree? mmm

I'm not familiar with his position but in general setting up the appropriate study would generally start with "Can female brains inhabit male bodies?" as opposed to my original "how can we prove female brains inhabit male bodies."

We're kind of in a backwards time where relative truth is the truth most sought after instead of objective truth.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If Eon wants to tell me their preferred pronoun after reading my last post or this one that's fine, but I'm not going to go to her and try to get an answer out of her. For now I'll just assume you're right and use feminine pronouns and I have no problem with correcting this if it's wrong.

If that's true that's definitely wrong, but I will say this: it is very interesting that Surtur is buddy buddy with you after a history of bias against trans people and even on occasion referring to them with dehumanizing terms like "thing" or "it".

If Surtur softened his stance for whatever reason and genuinely doesn't feel that way anymore about trans people in general (even if he opposes some trans issues, like children transitioning which is a much more reasonable stance than him saying all trannies are delusional and mentally ill (and using mentally ill as a pejorative) or attention seekers) that's one thing. But if not, how does that sit with you?

He still uses 'mentally ill' as a pejorative, which I disagree with heavily, but have you seen the shit Adam_PoE says about mental illness? Him and Surtur are the same, except Surtur isn't as outright nasty about it. Adam recently proved that him and Surtur share the same simplistic view on suicide, which imo was a great KMC moment, as Adam saw it as a major win at the time.

Originally posted by Scribble
Me and Surtur have had many conversations about trans issues. It's actually how we properly first got acquainted — disagreeing a lot and regularly about the whole topic. We still disagree on many subjects and probably many aspects of transness, but he's treated me with nothing but respect and dignity since I actually came out and readily accepted my preferred pronouns.

He still uses 'mentally ill' as a pejorative, which I disagree with heavily, but have you seen the shit Adam_PoE says about mental illness? Him and Surtur are the same, except Surtur isn't as outright nasty about it. Adam recently proved that him and Surtur share the same simplistic view on suicide, which imo was a great KMC moment, as Adam saw it as a major win at the time.

I do find that interesting because whenever I've seen him refer to other trans women he doesn't use their preferred pronouns. Is this still the case in your experience?

I saw a bit, it was something about suicidal people needing to toughen up?

Originally posted by NemeBro
I do find that interesting because whenever I've seen him refer to other trans women he doesn't use their preferred pronouns. Is this still the case in your experience?

I saw a bit, it was something about suicidal people needing to toughen up?

Idk. I'm still new to this. Going outside is pretty wild. Even just going to the shop is strange to me right now. But people like Surtur are distinctly not in the top 10 list of people not to interact with whilst trying to pass for me.

Yeah, Adam's understanding of self-harm and suicide is equal to an edgy 4chan-adept 15-year-old. As GD is a mental condition (and one with a whopping suicide completion rate, holy shit), I think his knowledge on the subject is severely impaired. I find it hard to take anything he says on the topic seriously.

Toughen up is a somewhat simplistic way of looking at it. However, if you are physically weak try working out. If you are mentally weak try going to therapy. Generally speaking, suicide is a permanent solution to what is usually a temporary problem.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Toughen up is a somewhat simplistic way of looking at it. However, if you are physically weak try working out. If you are mentally weak try going to therapy. Generally speaking, suicide is a permanent solution to what is usually a temporary problem.

Bingo.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Toughen up is a somewhat simplistic way of looking at it. However, if you are physically weak try working out. If you are mentally weak try going to therapy. Generally speaking, suicide is a permanent solution to what is usually a temporary problem.

Also, here's a little metaphor for everyone, using your idea:

A stone drops on a man. He is too weak to protect himself, and is crushed instantly. There is nothing he could have done in this situation, as he never had the training provided to him to defend himself, and did not know such heavy rocks existed.

Another man has a stone drop onto him: this stone is a metaphorical, and it is depression and suicidal ideation. Without the training provided to deal with this weight, and him not being born or raised to be naturally hardy, he dies.

That's how this kind of thing works.

Originally posted by Scribble
By 'weaponising', I mean it in multiple ways — using me as a battering ram against Surtur, but also just using it in a way of getting to me, i.e. knowing that pecking at my trans identity would effect me somehow, and with negative intentions. Just generally using my trans identity as a weapon, both against me and others on multiple occasions.

In other words, "weaponizing" means simply pointing out that the people with whom you side politically are transphobic, use dehumanizing language to describe transgender people, seek to limit the rights of transgender people, and do not consider transgender identities valid.

Those facts are "weapons," because you cannot reconcile them with your continued association and ideological alignment with those people.

And ayone who points that out is unfairly "wielding" those pesky facts against you.

The notion that people are "pecking at your identity, knowing it will affect you somehow" is grandiose nonsense. You are not that important. No one is attuned to your inner dialogue, and thinking of the things they can say to get to you in your lowest moments.