Y'know, it's hilarious that people ACTUALLY think that black hole feat of Supes is somehow impressive
😂
But let's point out of the context first since super fans are allergic to it;
1. Superman actually held a device or machine with a magnetic field that was housing a tiny black hole or that had a mini black hole contained inside of it, no bigger than a spec of dust, as it was the size of a dust particle, as stated by Captain Atom. The magnetic field was buckling against the pressure of the black hole, and a bit of the gravity of the miniature black hole managed to leak out of that machine. The device almost opens up but Superman says that he stopped it before it could be released. Superman is massively strained from the little bit of gravity that got out before it was released. So, he never did hold a mini black hole. The black hole was not a galaxy or universe busting black hole, either. Superman states:
"And even a miniature black hole... once set free… can cause a disaster of the first... magnitude.”
"But the pressure... is unbelievable! Not sure how long… I can hold on."
Mnemon then floods Superman with terrible memories as he struggles to hold it.
IN FACT, the effort nearly threatens his life.
This page clears up many things:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_prbh.php?
When a truly huge star runs out of fuel, it collapses and then explodes in a Supernova. What's leftover is a massive but relatively small object called a black hole.
Even at the width of a nickel (much bigger than a speck of dust), a miniature black hole would only be slightly more massive than the Earth. So, an Earth-mass black hole (well, slightly more massive) is about the size of a coin. But even if that were to be what appeared in those scans, it would only be a fraction of that, that Superman actually held, due to the magnetic field. But it wasn't even that. With surviving the gravity of a coin-sized black hole that has a little more than the mass of the Earth being a planet+ durability feat, WHICH is explained here:
http://www.viralbender.com/what-if-there-was-a-black-hole-in-your-pocket/?
More on what exactly would happen is explained and even visualized with these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHBGFKLHZQ&
To give you an idea of a stellar black hole's density: the Sun has a radius of 700,000 km. A black hole that weighs as much as the Sun would have a radius of 3 km. A stellar mass black hole is thus about the size of an asteroid somewhat larger than Mt. Everest, which already dwarfs a city.
If you could fill a typical pop can (12 oz) with the material in such a black hole, the can would weigh 7 trillion tons, almost as much as the weight of the water in Lake Superior.
A can of pop is considerably larger than a speck of dust, as is a nickel. The size of a speck of dust is, on average, a micrometer in diameter, which would be a couple million times smaller than a coin. Superman was not lifting weight even close to approaching that of a Sun, regardless of the comic stating the Solar System would be gone with the release of gravity. Black holes of different masses have different effects.
If anything, using that "feat" hurts one's case for Superman, since that feat is pathetic compared to his Moon to Planet to "stellar" level ones. Considerably less than "only" (for him) 7 trillion tons, and only a sliver of its gravity leaked out, greatly harming him? It's just a TERRIBLE "feat" to use for Superman, period.
Originally posted by h1a8
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It released in his hand AFTER Superman grabbed it. Superman's hand shielded the effects of it from the surroundings.
Stop lying all the time
Superman reaches for it while stating it's "breaking" through the magnetic field:
As shown, it has not yet broken out of the magnetic field when he reached for it:
He stated that he grabbed it "Before" it fully released
Meaning the mini blackhole had not broken out of the magnetic field:
he was only able to help the magnetic field suppress the dust sized blackhole:
You can't be bad at reading comprehension and calcs at the same time. LITERALLY 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't mean it weighs any less.If I put you in a box and lift you....just because you're contained doesn't mean the box is lighter.
The point here is about the gravity. But if you want to use Superman struggling with far less than 7 trillion tons... Be my guest. . But I wouldn't recommend it
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilIf it was still fully contained why did it:
Stop lying all the timeSuperman reaches for it while stating it's "breaking" through the magnetic field:
As shown, it has not yet broken out of the magnetic field when he reached for it:
He stated that he grabbed it "Before" it fully released
Meaning the mini blackhole had not broken out of the magnetic field:he was only able to help the magnetic field suppress the dust sized blackhole:
You can't be bad at reading comprehension and calcs at the same time. LITERALLY 😂
1: Start eating light right away.
2: Get noticed by the sensors as a 'gravitational anomaly' even after, as you claim, Superman 'prevented it from releasing'.
3: Make Superman struggle at all.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
If it was still fully contained why did it:1: Start eating light right away.
2: Get noticed by the sensors as a 'gravitational anomaly' even after, as you claim, Superman 'prevented it from releasing'.
3: Make Superman struggle at all.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Where do you get your figures from?
Mhm.
um Because a little bit of a black hole's gravity is still enough to do that, for both points 1 and 2. Leaking doesn't mean it was fully released. For 3... because he was too weak in the story, duh.
...Did you.. read my whole analysis? I guess not. You'll find the answer there.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Y'know, it's hilarious that people ACTUALLY think that black hole feat of Supes is somehow impressive
😂But let's point out of the context first since super fans are allergic to it;
1. Superman actually held a device or machine with a magnetic field that was housing a tiny black hole or that had a mini black hole contained inside of it, no bigger than a spec of dust, as it was the size of a dust particle, as stated by Captain Atom. The magnetic field was buckling against the pressure of the black hole, and a bit of the gravity of the miniature black hole managed to leak out of that machine. The device almost opens up but Superman says that he stopped it before it could be released. Superman is massively strained from the little bit of gravity that got out before it was released. So, he never did hold a mini black hole. The black hole was not a galaxy or universe busting black hole, either. Superman states:
"And even a miniature black hole... once set free… can cause a disaster of the first... magnitude.”
"But the pressure... is unbelievable! Not sure how long… I can hold on."
Mnemon then floods Superman with terrible memories as he struggles to hold it.IN FACT, the effort nearly threatens his life.
This page clears up many things:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_prbh.php?
When a truly huge star runs out of fuel, it collapses and then explodes in a Supernova. What's leftover is a massive but relatively small object called a black hole.
Even at the width of a nickel (much bigger than a speck of dust), a miniature black hole would only be slightly more massive than the Earth. So, an Earth-mass black hole (well, slightly more massive) is about the size of a coin. But even if that were to be what appeared in those scans, it would only be a fraction of that, that Superman actually held, due to the magnetic field. But it wasn't even that. With surviving the gravity of a coin-sized black hole that has a little more than the mass of the Earth being a planet+ durability feat, WHICH is explained here:
http://www.viralbender.com/what-if-there-was-a-black-hole-in-your-pocket/?
More on what exactly would happen is explained and even visualized with these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-P5IFTqB98&https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHBGFKLHZQ&
To give you an idea of a stellar black hole's density: the Sun has a radius of 700,000 km. A black hole that weighs as much as the Sun would have a radius of 3 km. A stellar mass black hole is thus about the size of an asteroid somewhat larger than Mt. Everest, which already dwarfs a city.
If you could fill a typical pop can (12 oz) with the material in such a black hole, the can would weigh 7 trillion tons, almost as much as the weight of the water in Lake Superior.
A can of pop is considerably larger than a speck of dust, as is a nickel. The size of a speck of dust is, on average, a micrometer in diameter, which would be a couple million times smaller than a coin. Superman was not lifting weight even close to approaching that of a Sun, regardless of the comic stating the Solar System would be gone with the release of gravity. Black holes of different masses have different effects.
If anything, using that "feat" hurts one's case for Superman, since that feat is pathetic compared to his Moon to Planet to "stellar" level ones. Considerably less than "only" (for him) 7 trillion tons, and only a sliver of its gravity leaked out, greatly harming him? It's just a TERRIBLE "feat" to use for Superman, period.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Stop lying all the timeSuperman reaches for it while stating it's "breaking" through the magnetic field:
As shown, it has not yet broken out of the magnetic field when he reached for it:
He stated that he grabbed it "Before" it fully released
Meaning the mini blackhole had not broken out of the magnetic field:he was only able to help the magnetic field suppress the dust sized blackhole:
You can't be bad at reading comprehension and calcs at the same time. LITERALLY 😂
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/JLA-1997/Issue-77?id=39343
Just stop troll.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mhm.
um Because a little bit of a black hole's gravity is still enough to do that, for both points 1 and 2. Leaking doesn't mean it was fully released. For 3... because he was too weak in the story, duh.
...Did you.. read my whole analysis? I guess not. You'll find the answer there.
Originally posted by Stoic
You were in the very discussion Abhi, and when proof was presented you became silent. Perhaps Hulkster can provide the proof that the beings that govern their sectors of the Dark Dimension also create gravity to the worlds that they create? I clearly remember you being wrong.
LMAO.
So Alberto selectively copy/pasted from the SETI website.
He missed out the note at the bottom of the page:
The density of a black hole depends on how you count its volume. The pop can calculation assumes that the black hole extends to its event horizon, the surface at which the escape velocity equals the speed of light. It might be better to say that a black hole is a singularity, meaning its mass is concentrated at a single point (of zero volume) at the center. On this view, the black hole's density is infinite!
Source: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_prbh.php (which he referenced, but neglected to mention the asterisk.
Superman struggling with infinite density there. Damn, such weaksauce.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mhm.
um Because a little bit of a black hole's gravity is still enough to do that, for both points 1 and 2. Leaking doesn't mean it was fully released. For 3... because he was too weak in the story, duh.
...Did you.. read my whole analysis? I guess not. You'll find the answer there.
In order for the star to form into a black hole, it has to be 3 times as mass as our sun. So your spec of dust size black hole has as much mass as at least 3 earth suns. Ill get into your misrepresentation of the scans later when I have time.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Stop lying all the timeSuperman reaches for it while stating it's "breaking" through the magnetic field:
As shown, it has not yet broken out of the magnetic field when he reached for it:
He stated that he grabbed it "Before" it fully released
Meaning the mini blackhole had not broken out of the magnetic field:he was only able to help the magnetic field suppress the dust sized blackhole:
You can't be bad at reading comprehension and calcs at the same time. LITERALLY 😂
The black hole was fully released in Superman's hand after he grabbed it. How is that a lie?
Where is a magnetic field helping Superman after the black hole is released? Do you know what released means?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85😂😂
LMAO.So Alberto selectively copy/pasted from the SETI website.
He missed out the note at the bottom of the page:
Source: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_prbh.php (which he referenced, but neglected to mention the asterisk.
Superman struggling with infinite density there. Damn, such weaksauce.
but to be fair, if i was trying to low ball a feat, i'd probably leave that blurb out too.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
LMAO.So Alberto selectively copy/pasted from the SETI website.
He missed out the note at the bottom of the page:
Source: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_prbh.php (which he referenced, but neglected to mention the asterisk.
Superman struggling with infinite density there. Damn, such weaksauce.
I was mistaken, I coulda sworn I read 3x sun mass but this link says 4–16. Superman held it in the palm of his hand.
Side note, Hulk couldn’t even squat 1/16 of it. Superman’s hand is stronger than both of hulk’s quads.
Originally posted by Diesldude
I was mistaken, I coulda sworn I read 3x sun mass but this link says 4–16. Superman held it in the palm of his hand.Side note, Hulk couldn’t even squat 1/16 of it. Superman’s hand is stronger than both of hulk’s quads.
It's pretty amazing piercing resistance too, since we are bringing physics into it.
Wolverine, with his slightly higher than peak human strength, can pierce the Hulk. This is because the force of his muscles is concentrated on the extremely sharp points of his claws.
In this instance? 7 trillion tons of force, concentrated over an infinitely small point. No damage.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilSuperman grabbed it before it was fully released. You can see the distortions. Once it was in Superman’s hands it was no longer on the machine and was fully released. But Superman’s hands prevented the black holes gravitational pull from destroying the planet. Superman was holding the black hole and a smallest black hole has compressed mass of at least 4-16 suns.
Mhm.
um Because a little bit of a black hole's gravity is still enough to do that, for both points 1 and 2. Leaking doesn't mean it was fully released. For 3... because he was too weak in the story, duh.
...Did you.. read my whole analysis? I guess not. You'll find the answer there.
If you want to get into physics, we’re talking infinities.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's pretty amazing piercing resistance too, since we are bringing physics into it.Wolverine, with his slightly higher than peak human strength, can pierce the Hulk. This is because the force of his muscles is concentrated on the extremely sharp points of his claws.
In this instance? 7 trillion tons of force, concentrated over an infinitely small point. No damage.
That much mass at that size would pass through anything. Including the hulk’s squishy hands.
Originally posted by Diesldudeyeah but does super still have his bio aura, I'd argue yes he does again so is it super or the aura.
I was mistaken, I coulda sworn I read 3x sun mass but this link says 4–16. Superman held it in the palm of his hand.Side note, Hulk couldn’t even squat 1/16 of it. Superman’s hand is stronger than both of hulk’s quads.