Plutonian vs Sentry

Originally posted by Stoic
We use characters at their peak. Bob later learned a higher extent to his powers, which was seen in his encounter with the Molecule Man. First thing here is that you need to understand what the Sentry is. You clearly don't. In order for the Plutonian to have even a remote chance of winning this, he'd have to find Bob and defeat him. That isn't common knowledge. So you can kick and scream, call names, whatever, but it will not change the fact that the Sentry is a phucking solidified thought construct that derives from the imagination of Robert Reynolds.

Per mod ruling that was void try and not usable for normal Sentry.

If Bob is Sentry then he must be in the battlefield per rules.
If Bob is not Sentry and Sentry is just a construct then again Sentry has been koed multiple times.

Originally posted by carver9
Pak said that WORLD WAR HULK would kill Superman though. Easily. This is the Hulk Rage is talking about. Not your average Hulk and Pak has always put Hulk>>>>Superman, even while writing Superman books.

Yeah, no.

Carver is def on the spectrum

Originally posted by h1a8
Per mod ruling that was void try and not usable for normal Sentry.

If Bob is Sentry then he must be in the battlefield per rules.
If Bob is not Sentry and Sentry is just a construct then again Sentry has been koed multiple times.

You still have yet to grasp what Bob can do with the constructs that he creates with his mind. If the Mod ruling is not in line with canon, It was ruled incorrectly, and should not be abided by. Death Seed Sentry was Bob operating under conditions of full clarity. The Death Seed didn't do much more to him other than granting him a paradigm shift in the way that he perceived reality, or in other words, he had a grand epiphany which allowed him to access his powers in ways that he never did before. It's called character development, which should not automatically allude to people pretending that we are talking about separate characters. The Void is the Sentry, as the Sentry is the Void. The Death Seed didn't give him powers, or levels of power that he didn't already have. Look at his run in with Molecule Man. You're arguing a time that Bob wasn't as aware of what he can do. That's like me arguing a weakness in GL's that no longer exists, and trying my best not to accept the change.

Once again with feeling, the Sentry is a solidified thought construct that doesn't really exist. We've seen the Sentry get blown up and reappear, we've seen the Sentry with the Death Seed in one instance, and in the next the Death Seed was no longer a part of it/him, we've literally seen a reality that he (Bob) created that had the Sentry family running around in. Understand this one simple thing. The Sentry can not be physically KO'd if Bob doesn't want it to be. Proof? He got his head crushed to pulp with no issue, blown to bits with no issue other than wanting to make the world think that he was dead, he split open his own head just to show that death is meaningless to him. Why? Because he/it isn't true life. Think what you want, but Bob would end up scaring the shit out of the Plutonian. One can die, the other isn't real. Imagine a toon character that you can make pop out of your head and run around in the real world.

Originally posted by Stoic
You still have yet to grasp what Bob can do with the constructs that he creates with his mind. If the Mod ruling is not in line with canon, It was ruled incorrectly, and should not be abided by. Death Seed Sentry was Bob operating under conditions of full clarity. The Death Seed didn't do much more to him other than granting him a paradigm shift in the way that he perceived reality, or in other words, he had a grand epiphany which allowed him to access his powers in ways that he never did before. It's called character development, which should not automatically allude to people pretending that we are talking about separate characters. The Void is the Sentry, as the Sentry is the Void. The Death Seed didn't give him powers, or levels of power that he didn't already have. Look at his run in with Molecule Man. You're arguing a time that Bob wasn't as aware of what he can do. That's like me arguing a weakness in GL's that no longer exists, and trying my best not to accept the change.

Once again with feeling, the Sentry is a solidified thought construct that doesn't really exist. We've seen the Sentry get blown up and reappear, we've seen the Sentry with the Death Seed in one instance, and in the next the Death Seed was no longer a part of it/him, we've literally seen a reality that he (Bob) created that had the Sentry family running around in. Understand this one simple thing. The Sentry can not be physically KO'd if Bob doesn't want it to be. Proof? He got his head crushed to pulp with no issue, blown to bits with no issue other than wanting to make the world think that he was dead, he split open his own head just to show that death is meaningless to him. Why? Because he/it isn't true life. Think what you want, but Bob would end up scaring the shit out of the Plutonian. One can die, the other isn't real. Imagine a toon character that you can make pop out of your head and run around in the real world.

Those versions of Sentry are not allowed. Only normal Sentry which has been koed multiple times.

If Sentry was koed because Bob wanted him to be (you must prove it) then it's his character to want to be koed.

Hint: This is silly since it clear that Sentry was koed per writers intent due to being subjected to sufficient forces.

Then you claim that Bob is not Sentry. Yet Sentry expelled all of his energy and was koed per writer's intent.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those versions of Sentry are not allowed. Only normal Sentry which has been koed multiple times.

If Sentry was koed because Bob wanted him to be (you must prove it) then it's his character to want to be koed.

Hint: This is silly since it clear that Sentry was koed per writers intent due to being subjected to sufficient forces.

Then you claim that Bob is not Sentry. Yet Sentry expelled all of his energy and was koed per writer's intent.

It's all normal Sentry. It's whatever Bob imagines the construct to be. So yes, the Sentry can pop up in an issue with two heads and four arms, and it wouldn't change the fact that it was still a thought construct. I guess if we use your logic, and if these two fought, and the Sentry grew his crab legs, and black tendrils grew out of his eyes to tentacle rape the Plutonian, he'd be disqualified? You clearly don't understand what the Sentry is. It's like me saying that the giant Godzilla form that Mxy took recently isn't the normal Mxy, because he took on giant form. It was still Mxy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Yeah, no.

Pak statement about a Superman that is amped with Doomsday, SuperDoom. A far more powerful Superman whos merged with Doomsday... lol.

Pak statement -

'But if it's SuperDoom versus Hulk, and Superman is all doomed out and his heart is not in charge, I think the Hulk wins because the Hulk is the strongest one there is. If all you're doing is throwing brute force at the Hulk, he's just going to keep getting angrier and angrier. Honestly, we would all lose, because if those two go up against each other, the world would probably blow up'.

Source...

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

This is during the time Superman gained some of his best fts in his history and he still put standard Hulk above him. WWH would make his entire body explode with a single hit. WBH, no comment.

Writer interviews?

I feel bad for Dark. He tends to reply everytime I make a post... i feel all kinds of empathy/sympathy for him. Hes craving some carver9 attention and its just not happening. All of his posts are ghost posts. Non-existant

Originally posted by Stoic
It's all normal Sentry. It's whatever Bob imagines the construct to be. So yes, the Sentry can pop up in an issue with two heads and four arms, and it wouldn't change the fact that it was still a thought construct. I guess if we use your logic, and if these two fought, and the Sentry grew his crab legs, and black tendrils grew out of his eyes to tentacle rape the Plutonian, he'd be disqualified? You clearly don't understand what the Sentry is. It's like me saying that the giant Godzilla form that Mxy took recently isn't the normal Mxy, because he took on giant form. It was still Mxy.

Thats what the mods do around here. They have to nerf the character by not allowing Voidtry or the Void although they are the same character. Guess they think thats the only way to make battles involving the Sentry fair to other characters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Writer interviews?

Abhis been using them the entire thread.

Yeah he's terrible. Abhi, stop it.

Originally posted by carver9
I feel bad for Dark. He tends to reply everytime I make a post... i feel all kinds of empathy/sympathy for him. Hes craving some carver9 attention and its just not happening. All of his posts are ghost posts. Non-existant

Other people can see my replies though. I can hurl as much abuse as I want at you, and you can never ever reply to it because to do so would destroy your illusion.

I can post this:

And call you a stupid lying troll, and there's nothing you can do lmao.

But others can see.

Originally posted by carver9
Pak statement about a Superman that is amped with Doomsday, SuperDoom. A far more powerful Superman whos merged with Doomsday... lol.

Pak statement -

'But if it's SuperDoom versus Hulk, and Superman is all doomed out and his heart is not in charge, I think the Hulk wins because the Hulk is the strongest one there is. If all you're doing is throwing brute force at the Hulk, he's just going to keep getting angrier and angrier. Honestly, we would all lose, because if those two go up against each other, the world would probably blow up'.

Source...

https://www.cbr.com/pak-explores-the-humanity-of-clark-kent-in-superman-doomed/

This is during the time Superman gained some of his best fts in his history and he still put standard Hulk above him. WWH would make his entire body explode with a single hit. WBH, no comment.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's all normal Sentry. It's whatever Bob imagines the construct to be. So yes, the Sentry can pop up in an issue with two heads and four arms, and it wouldn't change the fact that it was still a thought construct. I guess if we use your logic, and if these two fought, and the Sentry grew his crab legs, and black tendrils grew out of his eyes to tentacle rape the Plutonian, he'd be disqualified? You clearly don't understand what the Sentry is. It's like me saying that the giant Godzilla form that Mxy took recently isn't the normal Mxy, because he took on giant form. It was still Mxy.

Prove that Bob is separate from Sentry (Bob isn't inside Sentry or is Sentry but rather he's somewhere else creating Sentry the construct).

Then explain why Bob chose to have his construct koed multiple times? Since you said he can only be koed if he chooses to be.

You know once you prove and explain those things then you will have shown that at best Sentry stalemates due to him not being able to tag someone with picosecond perceptions.

That was at a time that Bob was limited due to inexperience. The limits of his constructs are directly linked to his psychological disposition. Bob having a bad day meant that the Void was likely going to appear, or that his Sentry construct wouldn't be operating at optimal levels. Robert Reynolds like others with a damaged amygdala, or damaged limbic system are known to have thoughts that seem real. In this case, his thoughts become solid constructs. If you payed attention to Enzeru's scans you'd know this.

Originally posted by Stoic
That was at a time that Bob was limited due to inexperience. The limits of his constructs are directly linked to his psychological disposition. Bob having a bad day meant that the Void was likely going to appear, or that his Sentry construct wouldn't be operating at optimal levels. Robert Reynolds like others with a damaged amygdala, or damaged limbic system are known to have thoughts that seem real. In this case, his thoughts become solid constructs. If you payed attention to Enzeru's scans you'd know this.

You didn't prove what I asked. Neither did Enzeru.
Also your speculation is contradicted by the fact that Sentry transformed into Bob in the WWH fight. So Bob is the Sentry.

And no so called construct was shown indestructible. Every version of Sentry has been able to be damaged (regenerated yes but not undamageable).

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't prove what I asked. Neither did Enzeru.
Also your speculation is contradicted by the fact that Sentry transformed into Bob in the WWH fight. So Bob is the Sentry.

And no so called construct was shown indestructible. Every version of Sentry has been able to be damaged (regenerated yes but not undamageable).

Total erasure was unable to kill the Sentry, but pico second punches will? Serious question? Having his head crushed into paste didn't KO him, but the Plutonian is going to KO him with punches? The Plutonian isn't winning, and no the Sentry isn't Robert Reynolds, it's a figment of his very real imagination. We aren't even sure that Bob is always Bob and not a construct. I suggest that you read his mini series in order to understand what he is. The Sentry dies whenever Bob wants to exit a conflict for example. And yes Bob has learned new tricks over time in terms of what he can do with his powers.

Yes, but: worm.

Originally posted by Stoic
Total erasure was unable to kill the Sentry, but pico second punches will? Serious question? Having his head crushed into paste didn't KO him, but the Plutonian is going to KO him with punches? The Plutonian isn't winning, and no the Sentry isn't Robert Reynolds, it's a figment of his very real imagination. We aren't even sure that Bob is always Bob and not a construct. I suggest that you read his mini series in order to understand what he is. The Sentry dies whenever Bob wants to exit a conflict for example. And yes Bob has learned new tricks over time in terms of what he can do with his powers.

A ko is a win. Why mention death?

Show me Sentry's head been crushed into paste and Sentry didn't lose consciousness. Post the scan.