Plutonian vs Sentry

Originally posted by h1a8
Wanting to be hit has absolutely nothing to do with durability and strength. The discussion is about whether Sentry can be koed. Nothing else.

The writer's intent is clear.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's all irrelevant. You didnt understand a word I said. You are arguing from bias and have no inkling of objectivity. Otherwise you wouldn't have so easily not understand.

Again, the arc proves that Sentry can be koed if sufficient amount of force hits him. Nothing more.

This is EXACTLY why nobody takes you serious.

It showed Bob can be k.o.ed. When that's in part what he wants.
WE don't know about Sentry

You don't think so huh ? Let's evaluate that from a neutral and basic standpoint.
😂

All I can say beyond that or suggest rather, is that IF you think that taking 7 unanswered haymakers does not effect your combat performance, you ought to get in the cage, or on the mat and try that hypothesis out for an objective frame of reference, period.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/world-war-hulk-vs-the-sentry-13.jpg

Does it always feel this good -- when you finally let go?

If he truly let go, where was the Void?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
This is EXACTLY why nobody takes you serious.

It showed Bob can be k.o.ed. When that's in part what he wants.
WE don't know about Sentry

You don't think so huh ? Let's evaluate that from a neutral and basic standpoint.
😂

All I can say beyond that or suggest rather, is that IF you think that taking 7 unanswered haymakers does not effect your combat performance, you ought to get in the cage, or on the mat and try that hypothesis out for an objective frame of reference, period.

So Bob can be koed. That's all that matters.
Couple that with Plutonian picosecond perceptions then Sentry would be a statue and get koed.

Originally posted by tkitna
If he truly let go, where was the Void?

Originally posted by tkitna
What? The guy was holed up in his house for 29 hours with agoraphobic issues and had to be talked off the ledge by Stark to even in engage in the fight. His mental problems were in no way under control during that story. The exact opposite actually.

Basically, its one of the strongest versions of the Hulk versus a nerfed version of the Sentry.

really don’t understand why even if Sentry and Hulk stalemated (Which they did), it’s an indication that Sentry is weaker. Here’s how Pak describes the fight:

“Of course, a match-up such as this is likely to be determined not by internal factors but instead by pure, brute strength. Or is it? "The Sentry's power approaches the cosmic," Pak explained. "The Hulk's the strongest one there is. Can a cosmic level hero withstand the mightiest blows of the strongest one there is? Can the strongest one there is survive a cosmic level assault? You'll have to read 'World War Hulk' #5 to find out.“

I think we’re forgetting how insanely powerful Green Scar was intended to be? Pak straight up referenced Sentry being the strongest being in the Universe/Galaxy and taking on Galactus.

Pak even wrote an insanely powerful Superman, one of the craziest arcs ever, but would still give odds to the Hulk in a fight:

“When I’ve been given this question before it’s usually with Clark Kent,” Pak says. “My honest answer is that, if all they’re doing is fighting, Hulk will win, because Hulk is the strongest one there is. The angrier he gets, no matter how strong Superman is, Hulk can get stronger if you make him mad enough.”

Green Scar was operating on a level beyond anything before tbh, and Sentry not only matched him, but forced him to burn out. That’s pretty insane. I dk why it’s not evidence he can take Plutonian before he went completely cosmic? Maybe I’m misreading the point here?

Also, the Sentry was obviously still crazy AF and off his rocker. He was an Addict finally having his fix. The drug just happens to be power.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
How did the void look in Annihilation Scourge?

About normal. He tore dimensions apart, treated heros like children, and merged back with Bob. Another day at the office.

Tkitna not understanding the point. [✓]

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
really don’t understand why even if Sentry and Hulk stalemated (Which they did), it’s an indication that Sentry is weaker. Here’s how Pak describes the fight:

“Of course, a match-up such as this is likely to be determined not by internal factors but instead by pure, brute strength. Or is it? "The Sentry's power approaches the cosmic," Pak explained. "The Hulk's the strongest one there is. Can a cosmic level hero withstand the mightiest blows of the strongest one there is? Can the strongest one there is survive a cosmic level assault? You'll have to read 'World War Hulk' #5 to find out.“

I think we’re forgetting how insanely powerful Green Scar was intended to be? Pak straight up referenced Sentry being the strongest being in the Universe/Galaxy and taking on Galactus.

Pak even wrote an insanely powerful Superman, one of the craziest arcs ever, but would still give odds to the Hulk in a fight:

“When I’ve been given this question before it’s usually with Clark Kent,” Pak says. “My honest answer is that, if all they’re doing is fighting, Hulk will win, because Hulk is the strongest one there is. The angrier he gets, no matter how strong Superman is, Hulk can get stronger if you make him mad enough.”

Green Scar was operating on a level beyond anything before tbh, and Sentry not only matched him, but forced him to burn out. That’s pretty insane. I dk why it’s not evidence he can take Plutonian before he went completely cosmic? Maybe I’m misreading the point here?

Also, the Sentry was obviously still crazy AF and off his rocker. He was an Addict finally having his fix. The drug just happens to be power.

So yeah, Pak has a very flip flop reasoning when it comes to characters.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Tkitna not understanding the point. [✓]

I understand perfectly. The battle with WWH was a low feat for Sentry.

Originally posted by h1a8
So Bob can be koed. That's all that matters.
Couple that with Plutonian picosecond perceptions then Sentry would be a statue and get koed.

How can you KO a figment of the imagination? Sentry had his head crushed, and later split it open without being KO'd just to show that it could. The Sentry isn't a real creature, it's a figment of Robert Reynolds imagination. It can neither be killed, or KO'd. Do you understand? Of course not, you want to fanfic what the Sentry is, while ignoring what was clearly written about it being a puppet that Robert controls.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
really don’t understand why even if Sentry and Hulk stalemated (Which they did), it’s an indication that Sentry is weaker. Here’s how Pak describes the fight:

“Of course, a match-up such as this is likely to be determined not by internal factors but instead by pure, brute strength. Or is it? "The Sentry's power approaches the cosmic," Pak explained. "The Hulk's the strongest one there is. Can a cosmic level hero withstand the mightiest blows of the strongest one there is? Can the strongest one there is survive a cosmic level assault? You'll have to read 'World War Hulk' #5 to find out.“

I think we’re forgetting how insanely powerful Green Scar was intended to be? Pak straight up referenced Sentry being the strongest being in the Universe/Galaxy and taking on Galactus.

Pak even wrote an insanely powerful Superman, one of the craziest arcs ever, but would still give odds to the Hulk in a fight:

“When I’ve been given this question before it’s usually with Clark Kent,” Pak says. “My honest answer is that, if all they’re doing is fighting, Hulk will win, because Hulk is the strongest one there is. The angrier he gets, no matter how strong Superman is, Hulk can get stronger if you make him mad enough.”

Green Scar was operating on a level beyond anything before tbh, and Sentry not only matched him, but forced him to burn out. That’s pretty insane. I dk why it’s not evidence he can take Plutonian before he went completely cosmic? Maybe I’m misreading the point here?

Also, the Sentry was obviously still crazy AF and off his rocker. He was an Addict finally having his fix. The drug just happens to be power.

Basically that means Sentry can be koed if hit with sufficient force.
So we have to show that Plutonian is as strong as WWH (or in the vicinity).

But make no mistake, Sentry cant win here. Plutonian has picosecond reactions.
Sentry would be a statue the whole fight. So at best Sentry stalemates if Plutonian cant ko him.

But some can argue that Sentry can be since he was flashed ko when hit to space.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pak also said that who is stronger between hulk and Superman is dependent on which book he is writing.

So yeah, Pak has a very flip flop reasoning when it comes to characters.

Pak said that WORLD WAR HULK would kill Superman though. Easily. This is the Hulk Rage is talking about. Not your average Hulk and Pak has always put Hulk>>>>Superman, even while writing Superman books.

Great post, Rage. That pretty much hit it on the teeth. Pak Hulk was powerful AF (and still is). Sentry per Pak view was powerful. He said the guy is Galactus level. Pak intentions were quite clear and the JLA would've been on the side lines watching the fight being unable to do anything except help the bystanders.

Originally posted by carver9
Pak said that WORLD WAR HULK would kill Superman though. Easily. This is the Hulk Rage is talking about. Not your average Hulk and Pak has always put Hulk>>>>Superman, even while writing Superman books.

WWH would be a statue to Superman and Superman can always Bfr Hulk at anytime he wants. Therefore, Pak's opinion is meaningless.

How powerful Sentry is irrelevant here. The fact remains that Plutonian has Picosecond perceptions. That means Sentry would be a statue the whole fight.

At best Sentry would obtain a stalemate. That's if we can't prove that Plutonian is about as strong or stronger than Blue Marvel or WWH.

Sigh

Originally posted by h1a8
Basically that means Sentry can be koed if hit with sufficient force.
So we have to show that Plutonian is as strong as WWH (or in the vicinity).

But make no mistake, Sentry cant win here. Plutonian has picosecond reactions.
Sentry would be a statue the whole fight. So at best Sentry stalemates if Plutonian cant ko him.

But some can argue that Sentry can be since he was flashed ko when hit to space.

Where was this limit placed on Sentry? Did you Youtube it?

Originally posted by Stoic
Where was this limit placed on Sentry? Did you Youtube it?

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes he was koed multiple times.
And we don't use no limit fallacies here.

We use characters at their peak. Bob later learned a higher extent to his powers, which was seen in his encounter with the Molecule Man. First thing here is that you need to understand what the Sentry is. You clearly don't. In order for the Plutonian to have even a remote chance of winning this, he'd have to find Bob and defeat him. That isn't common knowledge. So you can kick and scream, call names, whatever, but it will not change the fact that the Sentry is a phucking solidified thought construct that derives from the imagination of Robert Reynolds.

Originally posted by carver9
Great post, Rage. That pretty much hit it on the teeth. Pak Hulk was powerful AF (and still is). Sentry per Pak view was powerful. He said the guy is Galactus level. Pak intentions were quite clear and the JLA would've been on the side lines watching the fight being unable to do anything except help the bystanders.