Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, the comic outright says he is going all out and actually shows him exhausted but somehow he was holding back to exhaustion.Idiot.
Do you recall a time that the Sentry was operating at higher levels than he was in that story? If so, then he wasn't at full power in that fight. Neither of them were.
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you recall a time that the Sentry was operating at higher levels than he was in that story? If so, then he wasn't at full power in that fight. Neither of them were.
Then we should be fair and unbiased and apply this to all characters.
Anytime Batman, for example, is shown being hurt by street and metas ,will be thrown out. As we have seen him being hit by WW.
Every time Flash and Superman are tagged, when we have seen them operating at higher levels, should be thrown out. As we can all recall times where they were operating at higher levels.
Originally posted by tkitna
Nothing hard to understand. You say he was going all out while the actual comics shows differently. Of course you have to be told what to think so the actual scans are meaningless to someone like you.
The problem is that you are not explaining how Sentry expended all of his energy fighting Hulk.
So assume that Sentry was holding back his full strength. How do you explain Sentry expending all his energy?
I understand your point on how Sentry allowed Hulk to hit him in the face a few times in the beginning (most likely instead of not being able to respond to the punch) . But maybe that was to gauge Hulk's power in order to determine whether to use FULL force on Hulk.
So if Sentry allowed the hits then he wasn't fighting at the best of his abilities. But since Sentry expended his energy then he didn't hold back his full force and definitely not durability.
But the argument is whether Sentry can be koed by sufficient force and not can Sentry beat WWH.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then we should be fair and unbiased and apply this to all characters.Anytime Batman, for example, is shown being hurt by street and metas ,will be thrown out. As we have seen him being hit by WW.
Every time Flash and Superman are tagged, when we have seen them operating at higher levels, should be thrown out. As we can all recall times where they were operating at higher levels.
Weren't you just arguing full capacity 2 days ago? I get it, you want to use the weakest showings of the characters that you argue against, and the strongest showings for the characters that you argue for. Nice.
The Plutonian has no way of permanently stopping the Sentry under full capacity conditions. The Sentry on the other hand can stop the Plutonian. It's simple really, Sentry can't die, because he/it isn't actually a real living, breathing man, but is in fact no more than a solidified thought brought into reality by Robert Reynolds imagination. This is the exact reason why the Plutonian would eventually lose.
Originally posted by Stoic
Weren't you just arguing full capacity 2 days ago? I get it, you want to use the weakest showings of the characters that you argue against, and the strongest showings for the characters that you argue for. Nice.The Plutonian has no way of permanently stopping the Sentry under full capacity conditions. The Sentry on the other hand can stop the Plutonian. It's simple really, Sentry can't die, because he/it isn't actually a real living, breathing man, but is in fact no more than a solidified thought brought into reality by Robert Reynolds imagination. This is the exact reason why the Plutonian would eventually lose.
Sentry has been koed and therefore can be. There is no contradiction anywhere else. There is no evidence to suggest that Sentry can even tag someone with picosecond reactions.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There's no indication that it weakened him. At the end he overcame his issues anyway when he went to fight Hulk.
I think Bob's initial introduction in the New Avengers showcased a bit in there where they established that is Bob's acting like a coward then he has no assertive control over his powers.
His Handbook/Encyclopedia entry says much the same but in kinder terms:
Again, do you typically overcome a fear or a personal anxiety by arbitrarily saying something about it?
Or by telling yourself you have? Idk about that.
Originally posted by h1a8
The problem is that you are not explaining how Sentry expended all of his energy fighting Hulk.So assume that Sentry was holding back his full strength. How do you explain Sentry expending all his energy?
I understand your point on how Sentry allowed Hulk to hit him in the face a few times in the beginning (most likely instead of not being able to respond to the punch) . But maybe that was to gauge Hulk's power in order to determine whether to use FULL force on Hulk.
So if Sentry allowed the hits then he wasn't fighting at the best of his abilities. But since Sentry expended his energy then he didn't hold back his full force and definitely not durability.But the argument is whether Sentry can be koed by sufficient force and not can Sentry beat WWH.
Bob was beat back into Sentry thereby nullifying what power he was even capable of tapping into unlike Banner who typically has an automatic supply. Sentry can claim he was losing control, but the Void never came out, and since we saw the Siege event happen, we know that was a bold faced lie. The fact that Bob wanted to lose to Banner just more icing
there's no way to insist that one part of Sentry's mental state was 100% the motive and not the other (/Bob's).
Not saying Sentry didn't hit Hulk with bad intentions, only that he was also presented taking shots willingly with an added context in wanting to be stopped.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Bob was beat back into Sentry thereby nullifying what power he was even capable of tapping into unlike Banner who typically has an automatic supply. Sentry can claim he was losing control, but the Void never came out, and since we saw the Siege event happen, we know that was a bold faced lie. The fact that Bob wanted to lose to Banner just more icingthere's no way to insist that one part of Sentry's mental state was 100% the motive and not the other (/Bob's).
Not saying Sentry didn't hit Hulk with bad intentions, only that he was also presented taking shots willingly with an added context in wanting to be stopped.
Wanting to be hit has absolutely nothing to do with durability and strength. The discussion is about whether Sentry can be koed. Nothing else.
The writer's intent is clear.
Originally posted by h1a8
Wanting to be hit has absolutely nothing to do with durability and strength. The discussion is about whether Sentry can be koed. Nothing else.The writer's intent is clear.
he egged on the face punches to give him his own personal allowance to retaliate, then took that too far with the energy output. Thing is, he keeps standing there talking while Hulk got up from the firestorm and went back to face punching. It's difficult to tell how much Sentry is even fighting there as at one point he stops throwing puches and stops shooting fire/energy out his fingertips while Hulk hits him some more.. He wasn't gauging anything by that point.
Originally posted by Stoicso if you can get to bob you can kill the sentry?
Weren't you just arguing full capacity 2 days ago? I get it, you want to use the weakest showings of the characters that you argue against, and the strongest showings for the characters that you argue for. Nice.The Plutonian has no way of permanently stopping the Sentry under full capacity conditions. The Sentry on the other hand can stop the Plutonian. It's simple really, Sentry can't die, because he/it isn't actually a real living, breathing man, but is in fact no more than a solidified thought brought into reality by Robert Reynolds imagination. This is the exact reason why the Plutonian would eventually lose.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
he egged on the face punches to give him his own personal allowance to retaliate, then took that too far with the energy output. Thing is, he keeps standing there talking while Hulk got up from the firestorm and went back to face punching. It's difficult to tell how much Sentry is even fighting there as at one point he stops throwing puches and stops shooting fire/energy out his fingertips while Hulk hits him some more.. He wasn't gauging anything by that point.
That's all irrelevant. You didnt understand a word I said. You are arguing from bias and have no inkling of objectivity. Otherwise you wouldn't have so easily not understand.
Again, the arc proves that Sentry can be koed if sufficient amount of force hits him. Nothing more.
Originally posted by h1a8
The problem is that you are not explaining how Sentry expended all of his energy fighting Hulk.So assume that Sentry was holding back his full strength. How do you explain Sentry expending all his energy?
I understand your point on how Sentry allowed Hulk to hit him in the face a few times in the beginning (most likely instead of not being able to respond to the punch) . But maybe that was to gauge Hulk's power in order to determine whether to use FULL force on Hulk.
So if Sentry allowed the hits then he wasn't fighting at the best of his abilities. But since Sentry expended his energy then he didn't hold back his full force and definitely not durability.But the argument is whether Sentry can be koed by sufficient force and not can Sentry beat WWH.
Expending his energy was the whole purpose of the fight. Its why Sentry was antagonizing the Hulk and not really trying to fight him. Sentry used him as a vessel for his energy output. He thought it would kill Hulk thus killing two birds with one stone, ridding the world of the pest WWH was and satisfying his own urges. He was wrong.
In no way was the Sentry trying to actually win that fight, but people are quick to use that fight as the one all be all for the Sentry when its actually a low feat for him.
Sentry has been KO'd a few times (hell, the Chrysler Building KO'd him in Damage Control), but it always appeared to be the weaker versions of the character. When he puts his serious face on, its not so clear.
Originally posted by tkitna
Expending his energy was the whole purpose of the fight. Its why Sentry was antagonizing the Hulk and not really trying to fight him. Sentry used him as a vessel for his energy output. He thought it would kill Hulk thus killing two birds with one stone, ridding the world of the pest WWH was and satisfying his own urges. He was wrong.In no way was the Sentry trying to actually win that fight, but people are quick to use that fight as the one all be all for the Sentry when its actually a low feat for him.
Sentry has been KO'd a few times (hell, the Chrysler Building KO'd him in Damage Control), but it always appeared to be the weaker versions of the character. When he puts his serious face on, its not so clear.
And you are making stuff up. That's against the rules.
This is fiction. The only thing that counts is the writer's intent.
Anyway there is no indication anywhere that the Sentry that fought WWH was weakened in durability.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I think Bob's initial introduction in the New Avengers showcased a bit in there where they established that is Bob's acting like a coward then he has no assertive control over his powers.His Handbook/Encyclopedia entry says much the same but in kinder terms:
Again, do you typically overcome a fear or a personal anxiety by arbitrarily saying something about it?
Or by telling yourself you have? Idk about that.
Also that handbook is written years after world war Hulk.
Originally posted by h1a8
You contradicted yourself.
You said he tried to kill Hulk but wasn't trying to win.
That makes no sense.And you are making stuff up. That's against the rules.
This is fiction. The only thing that counts is the writer's intent.Anyway there is no indication anywhere that the Sentry that fought WWH was weakened in durability.
I said he anticipated the Hulk would die at the end due to releasing his energy, but during the fight he was using him as an object to direct his energy towards. If he truly was out to kill the Hulk, he would have fought back much harder than he actually did (which included not fighting back at all during certain parts).
Seriously, why is this so hard to understand when its right there on panel? A character not fighting back is not fighting to the best of his abilities.
😂 Making stuff up when talking about fiction. Anyways when the writers intent was so poorly done, it deserves to be questioned, and it was numerous times.
I dont care how durable a character is, when you stand there allowing somebody to punch you, its not going to end well.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He had overcame his mental problems by the time he fought Hulk. There was no indication in the comic that Sentry was weakened.Also that handbook is written years after world war Hulk.
What? The guy was holed up in his house for 29 hours with agoraphobic issues and had to be talked off the ledge by Stark to even in engage in the fight. His mental problems were in no way under control during that story. The exact opposite actually.
Basically, its one of the strongest versions of the Hulk versus a nerfed version of the Sentry.
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Does it always feel this good -- when you finally let go?
