Originally posted by abhilegendTechnically he doesn't have to be in the air to have his flying turned on. So you could argue even standing he was using his flight powers to offset his strength limitations to help him lift those items.
What does ability to fly means when he isn't flying? He is standing and flying?How's standing still makes you doubt that it was his strength? Wouldn't it be Superman flying to have his flight do anything?
But you did at one point. And Superman was considered no challenge to Thor or Silver Surfer at all.
It has come full circle.
Which is why ignoring writer's intent is stupid in these cases.
I've always given Thor the narrowest edge in these fights. Often citing magic as the thing I thought put Thor over the slight edge.
Even when I did one of those hypothetical versus battle stories I wrote Superman vs Thor as a tough battle that could have gone either way 😕
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok so let's make it simple then. We both agree Mjolnir adds to his striking feats.Can Thor replicate all his showings with an adamantium hammer?
He closed a portal with Herc and narration stated that they had strength to destroy worlds.
Generated planet moving force from arm wrasslin. 😛
He has replicated comet impact from throwing a small rock.
He has punched off massive amounts of metal while under the effects neutron star gravity.
He has punched an ancient hulk straight through a planet.
He has overpowered the will of a trans universal structure(Yggdrassil).
And on and on... Blah blah etc...
But lets get back to world shatterer thor. What changed? Was it explicitly shown that the hammer received a massive amp? What was dynamic there? Could it be his strength maybe? God forbid thor went dynamic in a comic. Oh boo hiss.. He doesnt have dynamic strength. He's not that strong...
Originally posted by Newjak
Technically he doesn't have to be in the air to have his flying turned on. So you could argue even standing he was using his flight powers to offset his strength limitations to help him lift those items.Which is why ignoring writer's intent is stupid in these cases.
I've always given Thor the narrowest edge in these fights. Often citing magic as the thing I thought put Thor over the slight edge.
Even when I did one of those hypothetical versus battle stories I wrote Superman vs Thor as a tough battle that could have gone either way 😕
We have the latest Superman issue, Superman #24, saying Clark is as weak/vulnerable to magic as he is to kryptonite.
Originally posted by Newjak
Technically he doesn't have to be in the air to have his flying turned on.
This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard all day.
Also its been argued that the strength feat of Superman don't count already.
Originally posted by darthgoober
The planet was being destroyed because Supes and Zod were spiritually tied to it...
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermansucks27gu4.jpgMyth busted.
And while I'm thinking about Kryptonian Myths that have been floating around for a while...
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[B]"Supes moving *insert large object* while flying is a major strength feat"
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advsupes43617yl7.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=advsupes43618cr4.jpg
First panel of the second scan...
"And as I discovered some time ago, when I lift an object while I'm flying, there's something other than strength at work."Myth busted.
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"Daxamite=Superman" ...Nameless Daxamite<Powergirl
Myth busted. [/B]
So yeah.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 I guess Doctor Strange has "Infinite level STRENGTH!" too
Here he picks up the Book of Vishanti with 1 hand. Does it have an Infinite amount of pages? YES. Why? Because it is being nigh-constantly updated in regards to spells being written inside of it by the Vishanti and various mages.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt is stupid but that's the point. It's a stupid argument to make while ignoring Writer's intent. Just like trying to make silly arguments about Thor's striking power not showing how strong he is to.
This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard all day.Also its been argued that the strength feat of Superman don't count already.
So yeah.
It's a nitpick that doesn't need to happen because we know what the intent is.
As to that other post. I wouldn't really use it to downplay Supes myself. We know Supes is supposed to be really strong even without flying. So it doesn't make sense to me to downplay his feats simply because we know he can also fly.
Originally posted by Newjak
It is stupid but that's the point. It's a stupid argument to make while ignoring Writer's intent. Just like trying to make silly arguments about Thor's striking power not showing how strong he is to.
Except no writer except Byrne even acknowledged flying things makes them LIGHTER. Nearly every writer has shown that mjolnir enhances striking power.
It's a nitpick that doesn't need to happen because we know what the intent is.
As to that other post. I wouldn't really use it to downplay Supes myself. We know Supes is supposed to be really strong even without flying. So it doesn't make sense to me to downplay his feats simply because we know he can also fly.
But it was used to downplay Superman. Superman beating Darkseid was used to downplay Darkseid, Doomsday beating Darkseid was used to downplay Darkseid etc.
It was a rule that if Superman beats someone, the character was weak. Heck, marvel fans didn't even accept Superman beating Thor.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt's not about flight making things lighter it's about adding the lift of your flight to your own lifting strength to make things easier to move. :/
Except no writer except Byrne even acknowledged flying things makes them LIGHTER. Nearly every writer has shown that mjolnir enhances striking power.But it was used to downplay Superman. Superman beating Darkseid was used to downplay Darkseid, Doomsday beating Darkseid was used to downplay Darkseid etc.
It was a rule that if Superman beats someone, the character was weak. Heck, marvel fans didn't even accept Superman beating Thor.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Probably. Technically it's the only way he could ever tow planets lol.
Has he ever done that?
I think you guys are getting too caught in the specifics though and ignoring the main point. That being just because we know Superman's flight would allow him to augment his strength for lifting things we understand writer's intention to understand that isn't the case most of the time.
IE not downplaying Superman's strength just to try a win in a debate.
Originally posted by Newjak
Probably. Technically it's the only way he could ever tow planets lol.I think you guys are getting too caught in the specifics though and ignoring the main point. That being just because we know Superman's flight would allow him to augment his strength for lifting things we understand writer's intention to understand that isn't the case most of the time.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yawn. The book was outright stated to contain the entire multiverse idiot.
It didn't have every possible book that was ever in DC. That's a NLF. For example, it didn't have Jergal's Scroll of the Damned. It didn't have Elminster's various spell tomes. It DEFINITELY didn't have the Book of Magus.
the book Didn't have anything about any stories that took place AFTER that storyline. So it pokes holes in the "whole existence" claim.
That book Did NOT even contain the Astral Plane, the Demiplane of Shadow, the Demiplane of Fear, and DID NOT contain the Speedforce. Thus, it pokes even MORE holes in the claim that it contained all of existence of the DC Mainstream Multiverse at the time.
That's the 2nd time you gotta use hyperbolic feats to support Superman 😂
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It didn't have every possible book that was ever in DC. That's a NLF. For example, it didn't have Jergal's Scroll of the Damned. It didn't have Elminster's various spell tomes. It DEFINITELY didn't have the Book of Magus.the book Didn't have anything about any stories that took place AFTER that storyline. So it pokes holes in the "whole existence" claim.
That book Did NOT even contain the Astral Plane, the Demiplane of Shadow, the Demiplane of Fear, and DID NOT contain the Speedforce. Thus, it pokes even MORE holes in the claim that it contained all of existence of the DC Mainstream Multiverse at the time.
That's the 2nd time you gotta use hyperbolic feats to support Superman 😂
"Whole of existence in a single book . "
So yeah.
