Originally posted by abhilegendThat's a silly argument to make and the primary reason I talked about writer's intent.
Mjolnir is on itself has been stated to be able to shatter planets like a pebble.If Thor is really that strong, perhaps he should show it without mjolnir. But he was without mjolnir for years and was never shown planetary level.
Like seriously asking for that is like asking for a high end lifting feat where Superman had his flight power turned off...
It is such a weird request given the nature of the characters :/
Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think I've ever seen people nitpick Superman the way his fans have nitpicked Thor
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=661369&pagenumber=1
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm sure you can find examples but my personal experience doesn't match it.For instance I don't find threads of Superman vs Ironman in an arm-wrestling match where people take it seriously like this one.
Your personal experience, whilst is personal to you (obvs!) is a bit iffy because as you say, you haven't been here for a while.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I would argue the specifications of that thread itself is a nitpick considering it's specifically asking for jumping feats in an attempt to itpick other characters feats that would be similar :/
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=661369&pagenumber=1
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilNot even close to what I've seen.
I'm the most unbias dude you'll ever see arguing against Superman
At best I could see you as trying to be ironic by giving the same arguments most Superman arguments against other characters go but I don't find you as an unbiased person
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Indeed! So how can it all be strength?If I smash something with a hammer, it's not a pure strength feat. Glad we agree 🙂
Let me make it simple then.
Thor throughout godbutcher wad hammering gorr and celestial bodies werent cracking. Im talkin bout multiple issues here.
In issue #9 he went WST(world shatterer thor). What was dynamic? What changed?
When Thor was hammering Kurse, it wasnt enuff. He put on his belt because he felt he needed to change what?
Mjolnir hits harder than without obvs. But u get out of it what u put in.
Originally posted by Newjak
That's a silly argument to make and the primary reason I talked about writer's intent.Like seriously asking for that is like asking for a high end lifting feat where Superman had his flight power turned off...
It is such a weird request given the nature of the characters :/
Can you show me anything like that from Thor without mjolnir?
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm sure you can find examples but my personal experience doesn't match it.For instance I don't find threads of Superman vs Ironman in an arm-wrestling match where people take it seriously like this one.
Originally posted by Newjak
You should know I am the last one who wants to wank Superman. I still believe he is Mid Herald 😛
And nobody but stilt is taking this thread seriously.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol who said "all strength"?Let me make it simple then.
Thor throughout godbutcher wad hammering gorr and celestial bodies werent cracking. Im talkin bout multiple issues here.
In issue #9 he went WST(world shatterer thor). What was dynamic? What changed?
When Thor was hammering Kurse, it wasnt enuff. He put on his belt because he felt he needed to change what?
Mjolnir hits harder than without obvs. But u get out of it what u put in.
Ok so let's make it simple then. We both agree Mjolnir adds to his striking feats.
Can Thor replicate all his showings with an adamantium hammer?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Possibly. That's the point of writer's intent. We know Thor is strong and powerful.
Well not with any ordinary hammer,no. But Mjolnir is no ordinary hammer, yes?Can Thor do it with Logan's body, for example?
What are the odds of you seeing that happen though in a comic? You're handicapping Thor's feat inherently by tying something that is iconic to him as a substitute for him.
The same thing could be said of Superman's strength vs his flight power.
Yet I would never make a thread asking for Superman's best feat with his flying turned off because I understand the context of these feats and what they're supposed to mean.
We know Superman is supposed to be strong and powerful. Just like we know Thor is.
So unless the writer specifically mentions that the striking feats were accomplished only because of Mjolnir I don't understand why the same wouldn't apply to Thor.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol who said "all strength"?Let me make it simple then.
Thor throughout godbutcher wad hammering gorr and celestial bodies werent cracking. Im talkin bout multiple issues here.
In issue #9 he went WST(world shatterer thor). What was dynamic? What changed?
When Thor was hammering Kurse, it wasnt enuff. He put on his belt because he felt he needed to change what?
Mjolnir hits harder than without obvs. But u get out of it what u put in.
Originally posted by abhilegendThe problem with your examples Abhi is he still had access to his ability to fly in those instances. So if you want to nitpick you could argue all of those were only accomplished because we know he can fly. So how much of it was Superman's strength versus his flight?
Sure, I'll show Superman lifting infinite pages book alongside Captain Marvel without flying, lifting Earth's weight without flying or dozens of such feats where he doesn't flies.Can you show me anything like that from Thor without mjolnir?
Sure, Superman is just mid herald in your opinion.And nobody but stilt is taking this thread seriously.
This is why nitpicking feats while ignoring writer's intention is silly.
I don't believe Superman is Mid-Herald. He is clearly meant to be the cream of the crop. Sometimes annoyingly so. On the other hands so is Thor just not always to the same degree as DC's flagship character.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, I'll show Superman lifting infinite pages book alongside Captain Marvel without flying, lifting Earth's weight without flying or dozens of such feats where he doesn't flies.Can you show me anything like that from Thor without mjolnir?
Sure, Superman is just mid herald in your opinion.And nobody but stilt is taking this thread seriously.
😂 You think that infinite feat is legit?
Originally posted by Newjak
The problem with your examples Abhi is he still had access to his ability to fly in those instances. So if you want to nitpick you could argue all of those were only accomplished because we know he can fly. So how much of it was Superman's strength versus his flight?This is why nitpicking feats while ignoring writer's intention is silly.
I don't believe Superman is Mid-Herald. He is clearly meant to be the cream of the crop. Sometimes annoyingly so. On the other hands so is Thor just not always to the same degree as DC's flagship character.
How's standing still makes you doubt that it was his strength? Wouldn't it be Superman flying to have his flight do anything?
But you did at one point. And Superman was considered no challenge to Thor or Silver Surfer at all.
It has come full circle.