Thor vs. Aquaman in the arm-wrestling competition.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But how do you know that it augments his strength while he is standing?

It's not about definitively saying he does this. It's just showing how nitpicking things can lead to silly arguments when we know what the writer's intention is.

For instance Superman's flight would allow him to augment his strength feats because it allows him to exert more force anywhere at anytime.

We know though that is generally never the writer's intention though.

Much like ignoring writer's intention to show how powerful Thor is when he strikes something with his hammer.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think once again you're missing the point Abhi.

It's not about definitively saying he does this. It's just showing how nitpicking things can lead to silly arguments when we know what the writer's intention is.

Which is that Thor's strikes are augmented by Mjolnir and it's characteristic/properties. As shown on panel,and agreed upon by even celey.

So it's not really nitpicking to say he augments his striking power.

However, Superman has NOT shown that he uses his flight to augment his lifting power. So yes, it's nitpicking to say he does

Originally posted by abhilegend
It contained pretty much everything in existence.

"Whole of existence in a single book . "

So yeah.

Except it didn't have the "whole of existence" since there were stories that had YET to be written. Thus, the book was being ADDED to.

DC once had the Scroll of the Damned that was in the possession of Jergal (aka the Scribe of the Damned). It contained the written EXACT moments and causes of deaths of mortals that haven't even been born yet. RARELY was that scroll ever edited. Usually, the ONLY being other than Jergal that can edit that scroll is the Overgod known as Ao. Not even Myrkul, Cyric, and or any other gods can even so much edit a single letter that's on that scroll. It could be that Jergal may have been an Aspect of Destiny (of the Endless) at the time when he was in DC.

SO, unlike the book that Ultra-Man lifted, Jergal's Scroll of the Damned is actually INFINITE.
Also, the Book of the Sorcerer Supremes has WRITTEN INFO on mages, magical items, spells, and events that have YET to even happen. Merlin even leaves a warning for Strange, warning him to NOT read his own (Strange's) entry because of the risk of it driving Strange mad. Thus, unlike the book that Ultraman lifted, the Book of the Sorcerer Supremes is INFINITE. Stay butthurt 😂

Originally posted by Newjak
I think once again you're missing the point Abhi.

And what is this point?

It's not about definitively saying he does this. It's just showing how nitpicking things can lead to silly arguments when we know what the writer's intention is.

How's arguing Mjolnir can break planets on its own nitpick? It's outright stated.

You're confusing your fanfiction with actual comic proof.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except it didn't have the "whole of existence" since there were stories that had YET to be written. Thus, the book was being ADDED to.

DC once had the Scroll of the Damned that was in the possession of Jergal (aka the Scribe of the Damned). It contained the written EXACT moments and causes of deaths of mortals that haven't even been born yet. RARELY was that scroll ever edited. Usually, the ONLY being other than Jergal that can edit that scroll is the Overgod known as Ao. Not even Myrkul, Cyric, and or any other gods can even so much edit a single letter that's on that scroll. It could be that Jergal may have been an Aspect of Destiny (of the Endless) at the time when he was in DC.

SO, unlike the book that Ultra-Man lifted, Jergal's Scroll of the Damned is actually INFINITE.
Also, the Book of the Sorcerer Supremes has WRITTEN INFO on mages, magical items, spells, and events that have YET to even happen. Merlin even leaves a warning for Strange, warning him to NOT read his own (Strange's) entry because of the risk of it driving Strange mad. Thus, unlike the book that Ultraman lifted, the Book of the Sorcerer Supremes is INFINITE. Stay butthurt 😂

concession accepted, Like i said. keep resorting to ad hominem attacks 😂 Don't bring that feat up again

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
but your example misses the point.

Which is that Thor's strikes are augmented by Mjolnir and it's characteristic/properties. As shown on panel,and agreed upon by even celey.

So it's not really nitpicking to say he augments his striking power.

However, Superman has NOT shown that he uses his flight to augment his lifting power. So yes, it's nitpicking to say he does

So the point of ignoring writer's intention for arguments sake still stands.

Also most Thor fans understand it's still Thor supplying the force of the strike. 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend
And what is this point?

How's arguing Mjolnir can break planets on its own nitpick? It's outright stated.

You're confusing your fanfiction with actual comic proof.

It's almost like this is comics and things change all the time. Which is why it's important to understand writer's intention.

Also Superman has used his flying to move objects before so it's not really that big of stretch to compare the two.

You guys wanna enlighten me as to why Superman is being brought up at all?

Because Aquaman is his equal👆

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
concession accepted, Like i said. keep resorting to ad hominem attacks 😂 Don't bring that feat up again

The overvoid itself was contained in the book. Shut up idiot.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's also been written to be an extension of Thor's own power. :/

Not since Aaron retconned it.

It's almost like this is comics and things change all the time. Which is why it's important to understand writer's intention.

Also Superman has used his flying to move objects before so it's not really that big of stretch to compare the two.

Its fanfiction. Mjolnir increasing Thor's striking power is a fact.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You guys wanna enlighten me as to why Superman is being brought up at all?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not since Aaron retconned it.

Its fanfiction. Mjolnir increasing Thor's striking power is a fact.

Yes but it doesn't negate Thor or the fact he still supplies a lot of the power in his swings.

This type of argument only serves as an easy attempt to win a debate and downplay other characters.

Once again you could make the same argument then that Superman uses his flight to more than his strength and therefore all of his strength feats are invalid.

Logically it meets the same criteria as what you described for Thor and Mjlonir.

Originally posted by Newjak
😆

Yes but it doesn't negate Thor or the fact he still supplies a lot of the power in his swings.

This type of argument only serves as an easy attempt to win a debate and downplay other characters.

So mjolnir=Planetary, Thor+mjolnir=Still planetary.

What exactly is Thor providing there?

Once again you could make the same argument then that Superman uses his flight to more than his strength and therefore all of his strength feats are invalid.

Logically it meets the se criteria as what you described.

No, you can't argue that with the feats which Superman does while standing still.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because Aquaman is his equal👆

Touché.

Originally posted by Newjak
Because I was hoping to use an easy to understand example for a character other people like to show the fallacy of ignoring writer's intent with trying to downplay characters.

It looks like it went well. 😛

Originally posted by abhilegend
So mjolnir=Planetary, Thor+mjolnir=Still planetary.

What exactly is Thor providing there?

No, you can't argue that with the feats which Superman does while standing still.

And yes you can actually argue that. It's not like we haven't seen Superman use his flight to move objects.

We know Supes can hover so it's not like he has to be moving to use his flight. Therefore even standing he can use his flight to augment his ability to move things. It's perfectly logical. We just understand what the writer's intention is so we understand not to downplay the feat in such a way.

It looks like it went well.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet there are panels where Thor talks about swinging Mjolnir with his full might. Nothing being denoted about Mjolnir helping him at all. Writer's intention in these scenes is clearly to show Thor's power not Mjolnirs lol.

Huh? What kind of logic is that?

And yes you can actually argue that. It's not like we haven't seen Superman use his flight to move objects.

Sure, let's see those things where he used solely flight to move something?

We know Supes can hover so it's not like he has to be moving to use his flight. Therefore even standing he can use his flight to augment his ability to move things. It's perfectly logical. We just understand what the writer's intention is so we understand not to downplay the feat in such a way.

Its not logical to assume he is flying while standing. That's absurd.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think critically analyzing feats is important. Some analysis is in bad faith. For example, doubting the power levels of Thor and Hercules is just odd.

Are we really unsure that it wasn’t suppose to be classic Hercules and Thor having an awesome arm-wrestle? That perhaps they were Skyfathers? Comics aren’t mystery novels. We don’t need to be explicitly told that Thor/Hercules are NOT powered up. Why we assume otherwise?

Very disingenuous. The other issue is the bar shifts. There’s no set criteria because every feat is contextually different. Superman fans are especially critical, so anytime a feat is posted for Thor/Surfer/Hulk, a spelling error would disqualify it. Nobody really has the energy for the opposite except Carver who barely counts as half a person.

IPhone apostrophe you!
I agree with your post mostly Rage. Thor wins this. But it's funny how you are not trying to set Albert right.