Thor vs. Aquaman in the arm-wrestling competition.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh? What kind of logic is that?

Sure, let's see those things where he used solely flight to move something?

Its not logical to assume he is flying while standing. That's absurd.

And are you a Superman fan really saying you've never seen Superman fly around with heavy objects before lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Idiot, when they lifted the scan it actually showed the overvoid and entire multiverse growing in it.

The overvoid itself was contained in the book. Shut up idiot.

That in no way shape or form addressed anything I said

The Infinite Book feat, while a legitimate feat, is a) not quantifiable, and b) irrelevant to this discussion.

Kindly get back on the actual topic.

Thor

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Infinite Book feat, while a legitimate feat, is a) not quantifiable, and b) irrelevant to this discussion.

Kindly get back on the actual topic.

Thank you. Literally has zero relevance on this match.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That in no way shape or form addressed anything I said

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, it's quite tribal on here. But for every abhi, there's an Alberto(who was baziemarc and marcbazie before. Carver, Stoic, JBL.

So it all evens out.

Honestly AJA doesn't seem to speak English as his primary language, Bazie did. Unless he hit his head and it did permanent damage, I don't think they're the same person. There's a few other smaller reasons too.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor using Mjolnir for striking and not counting as strength feat is apretty ignorant stance.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No shiet one hits harder with a weapon. I mean really?

Um you don't see the contradiction?

Originally posted by Newjak
See this is exactly what I mean. You've decided any feat featuring Mljonir can't count because it is it's own character. Writer's intent to show Thor's power doesn't matter. You've taken your meta knowledge of the character and constructed an argument to undermine any feats that allow you to apply that meta knowledge ignoring context and writer's intent. 🙄

Once again though the same logic could be used for Superman and his strength feats really just being flying feats.

I'm just going to address your posts in general off memory, so if there's anything specific I didn't address but you want me to, feel free to point me to it.

I understand the analogy you're trying to argue, but it's utterly flawed. You really think writers always intend it to be he hits no harder with Mjolnir so they're just as valid as a fist fight? You actually tried arguing because Superman can still possibly be using his flight even if we don't see it. You don't see that as an utterly ridiculous nitpick compared to wanting to see Thor striking without Mjolnir?

Let's even compare the flying when he strikes argument. While the flight itself is argued to add to the power, he would still have to be strong enough so his arms stay straight on impact. And unless you argue what only Byrne really went into, any lifting feat while flying would still require the strength to hold it, unless you're arguing he's just holding it on his back and physically is completely overwhelmed and his flight does it all.

Thor is hitting with a virtually indestructible hammer that's got various enchantments. What justification other than "writer's intent," which would have to be proven or at least supported, can you make to argue it's still valid to show him striking with Mjolnir as his normal striking power?

I think it says something in one topic a while back where it was asked for Thor winning hand-to-hand fights without Mjolnir, how most if not all included Mjolnir to some degree.

As for you've never seen Superman nitpicked to the degree you see Thor, how long have you been inactive?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 I guess Doctor Strange has "Infinite level STRENGTH!" too
Here he picks up the Book of Vishanti with 1 hand. Does it have an Infinite amount of pages? YES. Why? Because it is being nigh-constantly updated in regards to spells being written inside of it by the Vishanti and various mages.

Where does it actually say it has infinite pages? It doesn't even include what you say it does adding pages, let alone has infinite pages.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It didn't have every possible book that was ever in DC. That's a NLF. For example, it didn't have Jergal's Scroll of the Damned. It didn't have Elminster's various spell tomes. It DEFINITELY didn't have the Book of Magus.

the book Didn't have anything about any stories that took place AFTER that storyline. So it pokes holes in the "whole existence" claim.

That book Did NOT even contain the Astral Plane, the Demiplane of Shadow, the Demiplane of Fear, and DID NOT contain the Speedforce. Thus, it pokes even MORE holes in the claim that it contained all of existence of the DC Mainstream Multiverse at the time.

That's the 2nd time you gotta use hyperbolic feats to support Superman 😂

It's not a NLF given Morrison went out of his way. "Every book possible" was the least of which used to describe it.

Originally posted by Delta1938

Um you don't see the contradiction?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Please clarify.

I'm not sure how I can clarify you argued Thor using Mjolnir should be counted as normal striking then saying of course you hit harder with a hammer.

Delta, I propose we pool some money together, take newjak to a car repair shop, then put him on a platform that lifts him in the air, as his outstretched arms try to push a falling truck.

We'll have this song as a soundtrack:

YouTube video

Best Worst case scenario, we can sell the video to gore sites and get our money back.

In case somebody jumps and saves him, you get to punch him once.

Then, the 2nd time, you take a sledgehammer, wink at him and say:

"Bro, it's the same force, why are you afraid?"

And you hit him full force straight in the face.

I'll cover for you and tell the cops that the laws of motion don't exist, Newton is a liar. And that we also proved darwinism is still alive and well. 👆

Originally posted by Philosophía
Delta, I propose we pool some money together, take newjak to a car repair shop, then put him on a platform that lifts him in the air, as his outstretched arms try to push a falling truck.

We'll have this song as a soundtrack:

YouTube video

Best Worst case scenario, we can sell the video to gore sites and get our money back.

In case somebody jumps and saves him, you get to punch him once.

Then, the 2nd time, you take a sledgehammer, wink at him and say:

"Bro, it's the same force, why are you afraid?"

And you hit him full force straight in the face.

I'll cover for you and tell the cops that the laws of motion don't exist, Newton is a liar. And that we also proved darwinism is still alive and well. 👆

We'll also say he requested that song for his funeral.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm just going to address your posts in general off memory, so if there's anything specific I didn't address but you want me to, feel free to point me to it.

I understand the analogy you're trying to argue, but it's utterly flawed. You really think writers always intend it to be he hits no harder with Mjolnir so they're just as valid as a fist fight? You actually tried arguing because Superman can still possibly be using his flight even if we don't see it. You don't see that as an utterly ridiculous nitpick compared to wanting to see Thor striking without Mjolnir?

Let's even compare the flying when he strikes argument. While the flight itself is argued to add to the power, he would still have to be strong enough so his arms stay straight on impact. And unless you argue what only Byrne really went into, any lifting feat while flying would still require the strength to hold it, unless you're arguing he's just holding it on his back and physically is completely overwhelmed and his flight does it all.

Thor is hitting with a virtually indestructible hammer that's got various enchantments. What justification other than "writer's intent," which would have to be proven or at least supported, can you make to argue it's still valid to show him striking with Mjolnir as his normal striking power?

I think it says something in one topic a while back where it was asked for Thor winning hand-to-hand fights without Mjolnir, how most if not all included Mjolnir to some degree.

As for you've never seen Superman nitpicked to the degree you see Thor, how long have you been inactive?

The character in general is rarely going to be in such a scenario. For the majority of Thor's appearances he is going to have Mjlonir and is going to use it hit people with. It is part of character mythos. The scenarios where he won't do this are going to be few and far between. So yes I do see asking for such things as a nitpick based on the character and their history.

Once again the point of the flight argument is just to point out the absurdity of asking for something that is barely going to exist and then ignoring the bulk of someone's examples because it isn't clean.

The point is that just like people want to argue how much of Thor's striking feats is his strength vs the hammer you could in turn call into question how much of Superman's lifting feats are him versus his ability to fly.

It's kind of pointless given what the intention of writers are when showing these types of actions.

Writer's don't go in showing Thor unleash his full powered strikes to show off the hammer. They do it to show Thor's power.

Just like writer's making scenes of Superman lifting heavy things aren't trying to show his super flight powers. They are trying to show off Supe's power.

@Philo I mean unless you are incredibly weak you could kill someone with power of your punch just like you could kill someone with a sledgehammer.

The sledgehammer makes it easier but once again you're not picking up a sledgehammer and shattering planets either lol.

Also in this scenario the ability to resist not being crushed by the car would be durability not strength but nice try I guess Philo.

I guess Superman is just super durable and has good flight powers but is really weak

Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm not sure how I can clarify you argued Thor using Mjolnir should be counted as normal striking then saying of course you hit harder with a hammer.

Thor rips his arm clean off.

Originally posted by Newjak
@Philo I mean unless you are incredibly weak you could kill someone with power of your punch just like you could kill someone with a sledgehammer.

The sledgehammer makes it easier but once again you're not picking up a sledgehammer and shattering planets either lol.

Also in this scenario the ability to resist the crushing the car would be durability not strength but nice try I guess Philo.

Your outstretched arms, if they're strong enough would keep the car from falling on you, would allow you to brace the car -- the flight itself doesn't do anything.

Really, Newjak, do you really want me to wipe the walls with you on such a simple subject like elementary physics?

Originally posted by Delta1938
We'll also say he requested that song for his funeral.

If somebody is killed, but they're already braindead, do they still get a funeral?

Can you even kill somebody who is braindead?

Is this some sort of Superboy Prime situation?

Put it this way.

We know Barry/Wally can keep up with Superman. Their engine thrust is the same.

So can Barry and Wally perform the same lifting feats as Superman?