Can World Breaker Hulk break the chains in Up and the Sky?

Originally posted by Diesldude
then why use chains that are forged in an inverted blackhole?

Sure the could have tech to do just about anything but the used the chains the old fashion way to haul.

So everything happening in the comics is capable of happening in real life?
So they don't live in a world where alien was able to shrink whole cities and keep it's inhabitants in a space in his ship where they continued to live their lives?
It's not a universe where there's an extradimensonal overlord that turns planets into exploding fire pits and travel through wormholes generated by a living machine box?
It's not a universe where there's a whole dude that travels through mirrors using a modified "laser" pistol or a dude with a stick can control localized patches of weather?
It's science fiction, you can't ignore the fiction because it doesn't fit your narrative. The shit isn't a legit quantifiable feat because the writer himself wasn't trying to create one beyond Superman overcomes a villain that says he can't. It's all bullshit beyond that.

the chains were forged in some shit that not even light would be able to get into, something that's consistently pushing matter out.
What's the calc how a white hole would forge something?
Would you place something at the end of it while it's pounded with matter?
Can you explain it in anyway that would create a more conclusive argument?

Let me know. No amount of head canon from you or the superman camp is going to change THE fact that it's unquantifiable, period.

All you need to understand is that it's an unbreakable chain forged of the strongest metal in the most dense places in the universe. It's built to haul stars.

And that Superman can snap it.

No amount of being big mad about it, or awful comparisons or bad comprehension is going to change it. The only thing that will change it is if another comic comes out that retcons it.

😂 Says YOU? I bet you're one of those crazy superman fans that think Supes would be a high tier if he were in Marvel huh xD
I mean THAT'S cool, you can live in your delusions, doesn't matter to me. Theres still flat earth believers, long as you keep that deluded nonsense to yourself i'm good

Originally posted by Juntai
All you need to understand is that it's an unbreakable chain forged of the strongest metal in the most dense places in the universe. It's built to haul stars.

And that Superman can snap it.

No amount of being big mad about it, or awful comparisons or bad comprehension is going to change it. The only thing that will change it is if another comic comes out that retcons it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So everything happening in the comics is capable of happening in real life?

"The strongest Metal in the Universe. These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

So they don't live in a world where alien was able to shrink whole cities and keep it's inhabitants in a space in his ship where they continued to live their lives?
It's not a universe where there's an extradimensonal overlord that turns planets into exploding fire pits and travel through wormholes generated by a living machine box?
It's not a universe where there's a whole dude that travels through mirrors using a modified "laser" pistol or a dude with a stick can control localized patches of weather?
It's science fiction, you can't ignore the fiction because it doesn't fit your narrative.

😂 like who gives a shit about tech in comics or real life in this argument. You're the one that's going crazy trying to find other ways this may have been done.

I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

The shit isn't a legit quantifiable feat because the writer himself wasn't trying to create one beyond Superman overcomes a villain that says he can't. It's all bullshit beyond that.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

the chains were forged in some shit that not even light would be able to get into, something that's consistently pushing matter out.

Irrelevant, who cares, I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What's the calc how a white hole would forge something?

Who cares about calculations of whiteholes, jbl's stepmom's butthole or your fartbottles,I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Would you place something at the end of it while it's pounded with matter?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Can you explain it in anyway that would create a more conclusive argument?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Let me know. No amount of head canon from you or the superman camp is going to change THE fact that it's unquantifiable, period.

I don't think you know what headcanon means. You're the one trying to find ways to change the events of the comic because you don't like the outcome.
I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

but to you

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's all bullshit beyond that.

"These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies"
Ok #wrongalberto what does this mean? its a direct quote from the comic.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And Don't none of that mean a thing in a science fiction world where ships have shielding that negates the effects of ftl travel or devices can stop a star cold and move it out of its natural order to be carried as a ball of gas and exploding energy....you can't even use that because it doesn't add up, period.

So you are arguing against writer's intent?
Did the writer intend for the chains to be weak where stars were hauled using other means so that the stress on the chains can be negated? Is that what the writer wants the audience to think?

Originally posted by Stoic
People should learn by now that there is no feat of strength too great for the Hulk to accomplish. The writers of these books will allow it based on his power set's ability to strength amplify from here to eternity. Just like Superman gets bruised and hurt in some books, he'll come back in another and tank forces that dwarf the ones that almost laid him out in previous issues. There's really no need to run a bullshit campaign. These two particular characters can, and always will be written above the rest of the Earth hero characters.

Boom^^
Wwhulk frees himself.

Originally posted by Booya_69
Boom^^
Wwhulk frees himself.

I see that.
You guys are really going in on this chain ft. It’s a badass feat, ppl just wish that their favorite character did it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So moving an object in zero G is exactly the same as moving something in atmosphere, held in a gravitational field?

The scan says they are used to haul stars not that they are the only thing involved. There a ship doing the work and a possible device that takes the star out of its rotation.

Really?

Originally posted by JBL
He also said those chains were unbreakable and we now know he LIED.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mentioning the robots was just adding further proof that the villain was boasting and hadnt encountered anyone like Superman or the justice league

Originally posted by Diesldude
Who or what gave you this impression? if anything we did the opposite, using real world physics to support what is explicitly stated in the comic.

"The strongest Metal in the Universe. These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

😂 like who gives a shit about tech in comics or real life in this argument. You're the one that's going crazy trying to find other ways this may have been done.

[B]I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

Its not quantifiable because you failed Math along with every other subject.

Irrelevant, who cares, I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

Who cares about calculations of whiteholes, jbl's stepmom's butthole or your fartbottles,I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

I wouldn't need to place anything, I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".
I dont have to explain anything,
I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

I don't think you know what headcanon means. You're the one trying to find ways to change the events of the comic because you don't like the outcome.
I'm going by what is explicitly stated in the comic. "These chains are used to HAUL stars between galaxies".

but to you
because you can't accept this feat and because of all that headcanon i quoted in your post. [/B]

And? That doesn't make it quantifiable, it just proves my point.

Superman feat has a laundry list of questions that regardless of what we come up with we can answer because all we have is the chains. What was the ship's tech?
What was the holding mechanism? Is there a holding mechanism? Were the stars straight flown through a stargate/boom tube etc or straught flown from galaxy to galaxy? Did the ship have ftl shielding that would negative negative effects? If there's a star holding device, how big is it and how much does it weight? Does it negate everything that would give a star weight? The questions goes on and on because all we are given is the chains and a boasting villain telling us they are built in a nonsensical process that you can't calc and they have a use in the process of towing stars from point a to b.

You asking nonsensicial questions and going around in circles isn't going to change that

Which is why we try to add as little as possible, and lowball our numbers as much as possible, to get at a rough quantifiable numbers.

They are used to haul stars. No info given on the mechanism, so we simplify and say they just chain a star up and pull it between galaxies.

No time given, so we take a look at the average distance between galaxies, i.e. about 10 million lightyears (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy). Average means it can be higher, or it can be lower. So average is a safe bet. So even if we assumed lightspeed travel (so lowballing), that's hauling stars for 10 million years (humans as a species have existed for 3 million years). That's a....tall order, lol.

So we assume a low figure of, say, 1,000 years. Then the numbers start stacking up tremendously. Of course, you can argue 'why 1,000? Why not 5,000?' etc, but the point is to show the ballpark figures we are playing with.

This way, we add as little as possible to the numbers, adding only the barest minimum to get a rough idea.

If we assume a constant-acceleration/deceleration-journey from one galaxy to another while hauling a star, so that the journey takes 1000 years from the point of view of the travelers (due to relativistic length contraction, this is indeed possible without breaking the speed of light), then the proper acceleration would have to be around 0.5 m/s^2. The stress this imposes on the chain dragging the star is equivalent to lifting ca. 17000 Earth masses under standard gravity.

I think 1000 years overestimates the time-frame quite a bit so that a more reasonable equivalent would be some hundred's of thousands of Earth masses.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And? That doesn't make it quantifiable, it just proves my point.

Superman feat has a laundry list of questions that regardless of what we come up with we can answer because all we have is the chains. What was the ship's tech?
What was the holding mechanism? Is there a holding mechanism? Were the stars straight flown through a stargate/boom tube etc or straught flown from galaxy to galaxy? Did the ship have ftl shielding that would negative negative effects? If there's a star holding device, how big is it and how much does it weight? Does it negate everything that would give a star weight? The questions goes on and on because all we are given is the chains and a boasting villain telling us they are built in a nonsensical process that you can't calc and they have a use in the process of towing stars from point a to b.

You asking nonsensicial questions and going around in circles isn't going to change that

Originally posted by Magnon
If we assume a constant-acceleration/deceleration-journey from one galaxy to another while hauling a star, so that the journey takes 1000 years from the point of view of the travelers (due to relativistic length contraction, this is indeed possible without breaking the speed of light), then the proper acceleration would have to be around 0.5 m/s^2. The stress this imposes on the chain dragging the star is equivalent to lifting ca. 17000 Earth masses under standard gravity.

I think 1000 years overestimates the time-frame quite a bit so that a more reasonable equivalent would be some hundred's of thousands of Earth masses.

Originally posted by Juntai
All you need to understand is that it's an unbreakable chain forged of the strongest metal in the most dense places in the universe. It's built to haul stars.

And that Superman can snap it.

No amount of being big mad about it, or awful comparisons or bad comprehension is going to change it. The only thing that will change it is if another comic comes out that retcons it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 Says YOU? I bet you're one of those crazy superman fans that think Supes would be a high tier if he were in Marvel huh xD
I mean THAT'S cool, you can live in your delusions, doesn't matter to me. Theres still flat earth believers, long as you keep that deluded nonsense to yourself i'm good

No. Says the comic, and how comics work.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which is why we try to add as little as possible, and lowball our numbers as much as possible, to get at a rough quantifiable numbers.

They are used to haul stars. No info given on the mechanism, so we simplify and say they just chain a star up and pull it between galaxies.

No time given, so we take a look at the average distance between galaxies, i.e. about 10 million lightyears (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy). Average means it can be higher, or it can be lower. So average is a safe bet. So even [b]if we assumed lightspeed travel (so lowballing), that's hauling stars for 10 million years (humans as a species have existed for 3 million years). That's a....tall order, lol.

So we assume a low figure of, say, 1,000 years. Then the numbers start stacking up tremendously. Of course, you can argue 'why 1,000? Why not 5,000?' etc, but the point is to show the ballpark figures we are playing with.

This way, we add as little as possible to the numbers, adding only the barest minimum to get a rough idea. [/B]

Originally posted by Diesldude
. Why are you worried about all this? No one cares about comics tech they could be more advanced than the ancients from sGU i don’t care. Tech of any kind is irrelevant. Why? because no special tech was mentioned. Just the chains that were used to haul stars. Youre running in circles and giving yourself a headache trying to figure out a way to lowball.

You two will ignore the fact that a throwaway villain had a solid enough invasion force and apparently was towing stars via "we don't know" just to come to that conclusion then say that. The shit isn't irrelevant because it's an unknown variable that's there that you can't figure out to at least give it an as close to definitive answer that fiction allows then it's clear that's your aim.

>Sigh<