Thor isn't this weak, guys. Even Aaron had him pull together a crack in the moon and cauterized it with lightning: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-771d8b77ba2ed64aed8e188158a43080
Thor isn't this weak, guys. Even Aaron had him pull together a crack in the moon and cauterized it with lightning: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-771d8b77ba2ed64aed8e188158a43080
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, there were two. But if you mass produce something, you don't call other versions replicas of the original. Replica usually means, at least in common parlance, a weaker copy.No, I get that. I'm just saying I don't agree. The comic, to me, presented it as Arthur doing something that should have been impossible. You can see the shock of the people around him when it happens too.
Imo they said impossible because he actually caught the spear from a fairly powerful individual. And that the scepter is a powerful artifact that is integral to their history. As ive said before it was more a durability feat if anything.
If u look at the scan following AQ catching the scepter, u can kinda see some of that geokenesis im talking about. It starts bleeding out, but doesn't quite have the same effect if it had actually hit the ground.
And for further info of how the scepter works...
Here the Dead King's escape from his tomb was characterized as an "earthquake". This is with the "replica".
Uses the scepter again with similar geokenesis style effects.
And now back to the original scepter, Black Manta had used it quite similarly.
So back to it being a "strength" feat, yes in that he stopped the Dead King's strike cold. And Atlan seemed fairly formidable himself... But as ive said before a few pages back, to me it's more a durability feat based on how the scepter works.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It sure doesn't help how plenty of his classic feats were lies made up by Rage and his zombie horde of followers...
I wouldn't know either way, as I never really read much classic Thor in his solo books.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't mind thorbags getting slaughtered.But there are few Marvel fans left in general, fans who actually are skilled in debating...
Quanchi is gone... if he posts, he does it in the Movie or SW forum. Even in CBVF, he was just about "Thanos wins" spam-posts.
JBL is busy trolling Superman fans 24/7, too busy to actually contribute to the discussion.
Alberto is not even human.
So yeah, living a Marvel supporter's life is a lonely life.
It has surprised me how far the pendulum has swung. Marvel fans used to outnumber DC ones heavily on this site, and people like me who read both were few and far between.
I'd say there's about a dozen reasons why it's shifted, though.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I called it replica just to differentiate. Also as far as i know, the original was the only one used to sink atlantis while the other one was used to cause a much smaller seismological event. Didnt wanna share feats.Imo they said impossible because he actually caught the spear from a fairly powerful individual. And that the scepter is a powerful artifact that is integral to their history. As ive said before it was more a durability feat if anything.
If u look at the scan following AQ catching the scepter, u can kinda see some of that geokenesis im talking about. It starts bleeding out, but doesn't quite have the same effect if it had actually hit the ground.
And for further info of how the scepter works...
Here the Dead King's escape from his tomb was characterized as an "earthquake". This is with the "replica".
Uses the scepter again with similar geokenesis style effects.
And now back to the original scepter, Black Manta had used it quite similarly.
So back to it being a "strength" feat, yes in that he stopped the Dead King's strike cold. And Atlan seemed fairly formidable himself... But as ive said before a few pages back, to me it's more a durability feat based on how the scepter works.
Okay. I don't agree, but that's a fair enough interpretation I suppose.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Curious to see ure interpretation of the feat.
Sure.
My opinion is that there's no reason to believe that Atlan's second scepter was any less powerful than the first... except maybe that one was crafted out of that special gold, and one wasn't.
It wouldn't be out of the realms of belief that Aquaman could take a hit that would break a continent. He's a herald after all. I consider it a combination of strength and durability more than it being either or.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Sure.My opinion is that there's no reason to believe that Atlan's second scepter was any less powerful than the first... except maybe that one was crafted out of that special gold, and one wasn't.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It wouldn't be out of the realms of belief that Aquaman could take a hit that would break a continent. He's a herald after all. I consider it a combination of strength and durability more than it being either or.
Anyways so if u think durabilty was involved, at what point is it a "strength" feat? It was presented as countering continent busting force with strength which i believe is a misinterpretation. I kept saying he countered the dead king's strength when he stopped the scepter. His durability is then front and center when the geokenesis powers start to leak out of the weapon.
Alright people, so the tally up until now.
Continental level feats
Aquaman
Aquaman stops the attack which was used to destroy Atlantis with his bare hands:
https://ibb.co/dDSVGJQ
https://ibb.co/Fn997PS
https://ibb.co/J3v8Dgc
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The crazy thing here is that Aquaman was stabbed straight through the gut before hand and even then didn't seem to be at full effort:
Thor
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Sub-continental to mountain level
Aquaman
Arthur seals the oceanic trench by pushing the surrounding area:
https://ibb.co/tpzCCX0
https://ibb.co/GtMBcXV
https://ibb.co/KX615yy
Aquaman throws a submarine from the sea floor to the surface:
https://ibb.co/9wYBvQZ
https://ibb.co/Lknmh2X
https://ibb.co/mz94k14
By calculations, this comes out -- VERY out there. But I'll just put it here.
Thor
Mountain moving:
https://ibb.co/wgbsCbN
https://ibb.co/jWZ1zDZ
Pushes back with utmost effort/welds with lightning volcanoes/parts of a moon:
https://i.imgur.com/euJbQji.jpg
As it has been said, he had the remaining part of the Odin Force here iirc, but it looks cool, so eh: Thor/BRB shoulder press Asgard
https://ibb.co/QJHPTTg
High-level tonnage
Aquaman
Aquaman casually head-presses an ocean liner:
https://i.imgur.com/MDprx9h.jpg
Aquaman casually lifts and uses a large ship as a battering ram:
https://ibb.co/5vqcHHW
https://ibb.co/wLXzdx4
Because it looks cool, here is Aquaman one-handed dragging a ship through the storm:
https://ibb.co/wWQg2dx
When bored, Aquaman spends his time dragging ships/wreckages from the bottom of the ocean to the shore:
https://ibb.co/CBmw2sD
And of course, dragging thousands of tons of submarines out of water:
https://ibb.co/h2wgGxK
Thor
Thor, with effort, manages to sustain a bridge for a prolonged period of time:
https://imgur.com/a/lVHMo44
Thor grabs and throws a snake-like sea creature:
https://imgur.com/Ai77IB2
https://imgur.com/CgVFhPp
Thor stops a falling plane in reasonable distance:
https://imgur.com/i2eYRff
https://imgur.com/PPf0Ovl
I'm sure Thor has a shitload of 'high level tonnage' type of feats, but what we need are a few levels above this.
So...how many continental feats does Thor have?
Thor does planetary level.
A good portion of thos AQ feats he's moving/lifting things are under or on water which makes a huge difference in actual difficulty. The sub breaking the water surface is his best one, albeit he did benefit from the upwards momentum when he swam it towards the surface.
And the scepter feat looks iffy as a pure strength feat. The scepter reacts greatly when it hits ground. He prevented it from hitting ground which halted cataclysmic level destruction. So no i dont think he's ever shown actual "continental" level strength featwise.
For example Black Manta was causing earthquakes with the same scepter when he hit ground. We're not about to categorize him as having earthquake causing strength.
Making Asgard "tremble" just by throwing a wooden chair alone makes almost evrything AQ has done in this thread pale in comparison.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Doesnt really matter to the issue at hand since the original involves the feat in question.
Only reason i brought it up in the first place was to reinforce the the geokenesis effect.Oh is a he a herald in the site list? Didnt know...
Anyways so if u think durabilty was involved, at what point is it a "strength" feat? It was presented as countering continent busting force with strength which i believe is a misinterpretation. I kept saying he countered the dead king's strength when he stopped the scepter. His durability is then front and center when the geokenesis powers start to leak out of the weapon.
Which I'm not sure I buy, but I digress.
I don't know re: the site tiers. I was just talking about portrayal and feats.
I consider it a strength feat that he stops the scepter. I consider it a durability feat that he has to handle all that energy pouring out of it.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor does planetary level.A good portion of thos AQ feats he's moving/lifting things are under or on water which makes a huge difference in actual difficulty. The sub breaking the water surface is his best one, albeit he did benefit from the upwards momentum when he swam it towards the surface.
And the scepter feat looks iffy as a pure strength feat. The scepter reacts greatly when it hits ground. He prevented it from hitting ground which halted cataclysmic level destruction. So no i dont think he's ever shown actual "continental" level strength featwise.
For example Black Manta was causing earthquakes with the same scepter when he hit ground. We're not about to categorize him as having earthquake causing strength.
Making Asgard "tremble" just by throwing a wooden chair alone makes almost evrything AQ has done in this thread pale in comparison.
What feats by Thor are equivalent to lifting a planet or better?
Aquaman certainly has racked up a lot of impressive strength feats post flashpoint
Still not even close to thor. his fight with gorr alone show planetary strength, not to mention other planet/moon shattering striking feats
remember Mjolnir only double Thor's strength, so hammerless thor strength is basically whatever regular thor does with strength divide by 2
Originally posted by h1a8Relying solely on his lifting/pushing feats [reminder: No feats where Mjolnir is involved. No statements/hyperboles or relative showings], Thor evidently struggles to have even one continental feat.
What feats by Thor are equivalent to lifting a planet or better?
We should first try to find those ones.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor does planetary level.A good portion of thos AQ feats he's moving/lifting things are under or on water which makes a huge difference in actual difficulty. The sub breaking the water surface is his best one, albeit he did benefit from the upwards momentum when he swam it towards the surface.
And the scepter feat looks iffy as a pure strength feat. The scepter reacts greatly when it hits ground. He prevented it from hitting ground which halted cataclysmic level destruction. So no i dont think he's ever shown actual "continental" level strength featwise.
For example Black Manta was causing earthquakes with the same scepter when he hit ground. We're not about to categorize him as having earthquake causing strength.
Making Asgard "tremble" just by throwing a wooden chair alone makes almost evrything AQ has done in this thread pale in comparison.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For those questioning the Aquaman sub feat as he 'uses momentum'....Surely his swimming comes from his muscles, i.e. it is still a strength feat?
Originally posted by MrMind
there's problem with the premise of the thread if it's strength comparison why are only lifting/pushing feats allowed. comic characters are not powerlifter and strongmenalso if no hammer allowed, this might as well be unworthy thor vs aquaman
Id also like to add that we have a charcater who though is incredibly strong, uses a hammer 99% of the time. Im embellishing a little, but u get the point. Literally thats his signature and a prominent feature of his pwerset. Its what makes him different from most other super strong bricks. He is not ure common giant strongman or flying super brick. Naturally many of his feats of strength include the hammer.
This thread would only serve to paint an incomplete picture of their strength levels.
