Thor vs Aquaman [pure strength]

Originally posted by MrMind
aquaman is comparable to namor strength wise though i say namor has better strength feats

He does.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I agree. Also it's much easier to lift things under water. The way the sub broke the water surface though was impressive. I think his best feat here.

We dont normally see eye to eye, but no truer words have been spoken.

Id also like to add that we have a charcater who though is incredibly strong, uses a hammer 99% of the time. Im embellishing a little, but u get the point. Literally thats his signature and a prominent feature of his pwerset. Its what makes him different from most other super strong bricks. He is not ure common giant strongman or flying super brick. Naturally many of his feats of strength include the hammer.

This thread would only serve to paint an incomplete picture of their strength levels.

Lifting is easier. Throwing is harder. The minute the sub leaves Aquaman's hands, the kinetic energy being robbed of it is ridiculously quick. It's a massive outlier, mind you, but still.

U r right. I agree about throwing. The way it broke above the water's surface was quite impressive.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I agree. Also it's much easier to lift things under water. The way the sub broke the water surface though was impressive. I think his best feat here.

We dont normally see eye to eye, but no truer words have been spoken.

Id also like to add that we have a charcater who though is incredibly strong, uses a hammer 99% of the time. Im embellishing a little, but u get the point. Literally thats his signature and a prominent feature of his pwerset. Its what makes him different from most other super strong bricks. He is not ure common giant strongman or flying super brick. Naturally many of his feats of strength include the hammer.

This thread would only serve to paint an incomplete picture of their strength levels.

This goes back to my point about his opponent, though. Thor isn't being compared to Superman, WW, Shazam or MMH.

He's being compared to Aquaman. He's not your common giant strongman or flying super brick. Most of his appearances have him either with a hook hand, a water hand (which was very short-lived), with a trident, or he was dead. And has ~25 years' fewer appearances.

So yeah, Thor SHOULD be flying away with the competition here. But he's not.

If you have problems with the thread/questions, Mr Mind, feel free to PM me. Most of the thread has been rounds of incessant sobbing anyhow, and I'd rather it doesn't continue being so.

And while you may disagree with the stipulations, please respect them - just uploading and posting the scans you found in the lifting section on reddit, posting them in that exact order, without looking at the specific thread, just wastes both our time.

But thanks for them at least 👆

Problem is, as I've said at the beginning, we're not using hyperbole/statements but actual feats, nor "Aquaman/Thor grapple evenly with Wonder Woman/Hercules and achieve a stalemate" relative showings. It's non-hyperbole/statements, pure lifting/pushing feats.

So with that in mind, looking at what you which are actual feats:

https://ibb.co/T8BzYX4
https://ibb.co/6H9Vkxb

While a statement, let's say it's not hyperbole and take it at face value.
This is quite impressive -- given the increased gravitational attraction [akin to a neutron star] its puts this feat to about the level of overpowering, eventually, a mountain on top of him, give or take.

This certainly goes in the sub-continental - mountain range 👆

https://ibb.co/xSdyyxy
https://ibb.co/s3v9Cx5

Relying on statements, let's say this is good, too, since we see actual rock there being wretched from the arch.
This is good, certainly in the upper tonnage tier 👆

https://ibb.co/pnwvKsr
The force required to do this is below the one needed to move a mountain, so still upper tonnage, but it's quite nice to see a feat that doesn't rely on anything else. 👆

Holding the castle as it was slowly being lifted towards the sky was quite impressive -- that's a building moving feat, to be sure. So in the upper tonnage, as well.

To tally it up:
1 sub-continental feat [as I said, I'll be extra generous here and say the description to a netron star is true]
3 upper-tonnage feats.

Now, as I said before, I expect Thor to lift many tons -- does he have actual continental feats?

Originally posted by -Pr-
The minute the sub leaves Aquaman's hands, the kinetic energy being robbed of it is ridiculously quick. It's a massive outlier, mind you, but still.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So yeah, Thor SHOULD be flying away with the competition here. But he's not.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If you have problems with the thread/questions, Mr Mind, feel free to PM me. Most of the thread has been rounds of incessant sobbing anyhow, and I'd rather it doesn't continue being so.

And while you may disagree with the stipulations, please respect them - just uploading and posting the scans you found in the lifting section on reddit, posting them in that exact order, without looking at the specific thread, just wastes both our time.

But thanks for them at least 👆

Problem is, as I've said at the beginning, we're not using hyperbole/statements but actual feats, nor "Aquaman/Thor grapple evenly with Wonder Woman/Hercules and achieve a stalemate" relative showings. It's non-hyperbole/statements, pure lifting/pushing feats.

So with that in mind, looking at what you which are actual feats:

https://ibb.co/T8BzYX4
https://ibb.co/6H9Vkxb

While a statement, let's say it's not hyperbole and take it at face value.
This is quite impressive -- given the increased gravitational attraction [akin to a neutron star] its puts this feat to about the level of overpowering, eventually, a mountain on top of him, give or take.

This certainly goes in the sub-continental - mountain range 👆

https://ibb.co/xSdyyxy
https://ibb.co/s3v9Cx5

Relying on statements, let's say this is good, too, since we see actual rock there being wretched from the arch.
This is good, certainly in the upper tonnage tier 👆

https://ibb.co/pnwvKsr
The force required to do this is below the one needed to move a mountain, so still upper tonnage, but it's quite nice to see a feat that doesn't rely on anything else. 👆

Holding the castle as it was slowly being lifted towards the sky was quite impressive -- that's a building moving feat, to be sure. So in the upper tonnage, as well.

To tally it up:
1 sub-continental feat [as I said, I'll be extra generous here and say the description to a netron star is true]
3 upper-tonnage feats.

Now, as I said before, I expect Thor to lift many tons -- does he have actual continental feats?

You'd be shocked at the numbers -- the power he'd have to generate is counter-intuitive just looking at it. Well, it's a bit more intuitive after you look at the bullet video I posted -- but still not quite.

Was that the mythbusters one?

Yeah, water is deceptively tricky to get one's head around at the start when trying to measure feats. It was a PITA when I was working on it back in the day.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Was that the mythbusters one?

Yeah, water is deceptively tricky to get one's head around at the start when trying to measure feats. It was a PITA when I was working on it back in the day.

To give you an ideea, this is the graphic at just a few knots -- observe the almost perpendicular direction the resistance takes [it's a bit more complicated to explain the forces, I can PM you a link, but there's a point where it skyrockets]

Aquaman is so outside the graphic, that this scale would be a dot on his .......

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yep, the mythbusters one. Take into account the fact that the faster it is thrown, the harder it slows down [by orders of magnitude], the bigger area of the submarine, etc.

To give you an ideea, this is the graphic at just a few knots -- observe the almost perpendicular direction the resistance takes [it's a bit more complicated to explain the forces, I can PM you a link, but there's a point where it skyrockets]

Aquaman is so outside the graphic, that this scale would be a dot on his .......

Lawd. Is there any kind of number for how much force, in relative tons, he was exerting?

I imagine Johns had no idea what he was doing when he wrote it.

I'll try.

Give me in your opinion how long it took the ship to reach the surface. Eyeballing it. So I can have something to go by that is not an estimate of mine, lol.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'll try.

Give me in your opinion how long it took the ship to reach the surface. Eyeballing it. So I can have something to go by that is not an estimate of mine, lol.

It would have had to be fast as it would have needed sufficient acceleration to not have its kinetic energy lost and just end up sinking back down, so... seconds?

And the average depth is what, 12,000 feet? It's just more and more ridiculous the more I think about it.

I didn't see that throwing the submarine to the surface feat. That one is a ridiculous feat. Just for extra information, high powered rifle bullets can only penetrate 3ft before halting. A 20mm might reach 4-5 ft though. That feat might be planetary easily.

The cross sectional area of the sub is easily more than millions times more than a bullet (million times more drag force).

A 20mm can travel at 1030m/s.

Lol why are you guys arguing about Submarines?

One of my favorite Thor comics: Thor (After being blasted by Celestials when they were even more respected than now), lifts the Odinsword, and tosses it through Exitar with enough force to pierce completely through the armor:
https://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials01300.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials02.jpg
https://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials03.jpg

Originally posted by Philosophía
Relying solely on his lifting/pushing feats [reminder: No feats where Mjolnir is involved. No statements/hyperboles or relative showings], Thor evidently struggles to have even one continental feat.

We should first try to find those ones.

Why are you guys entertaining this nonsense?

Look at how these conditions are phrased. No "statements or hyperbole or relative showings".

The conditions are broadly restrictive:
1) Comics are a visual and written medium. They convey information via images and text, and he just eliminated text.
2) Thor spends a majority of his time on Earth or Asgard. I.e. a being flies through space destroying planets or other feats, and then fights Thor in area with a lot of collateral damage
3) Thor carries Mjolnir all the time. If we take some of his feats with Mjolnir, and significantly underplay his strength, applying only 50% of the feat, he would still greatly smoke Aquaman.

Exitar allowed it to pierce him though......and it took all of his strength....

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Exitar is nearly omnipotent, he could have prevented getting hit a hundred different ways but allowed himself to get hit. I'm not arguing that Thor can beat him in a fight, I'm pointing out the fact that the force of the blow was powerful enough to penetrate his armor:

.....And yes it took the last of his strength. He just got blasted 5 times by the Fourth Host. A few pages ago, those same attacks were punching holes in the Odin Destroyer. This was the original story that introduced Celestials to the MU. They were >> Cosmics like Galactus, Odin, Watcher etc.

Was there a point to your response? Do you feel that the feat isn't far beyond anything Aquaman has done strength wise?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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Exitar is nearly omnipotent, he could have prevented getting hit a hundred different ways but chose not to defend himself. I'm not arguing that Thor can beat him in a fight, I'm pointing out the fact that the force of the blow was powerful enough to penetrate his armor:

.....And yes it took the last of his strength. He just got blasted 5 times by the Fourth Host. A few pages ago, those same attacks were punching holes in the Odin Destroyer. This was the original story that introduced Celestials to the MU. They were >> Cosmics like Galactus, Odin, Watcher etc.

Was there a point to your response? Do you feel that the feat isn't far beyond anything Aquaman has done strength wise?

I'm saying Exitar allowed the entry so he could study the blade. Which is on panel.

He allowed the blade to pierce his armour.

My point is, assuming say Jarvis could lift and throw the sword, it would also pierce Exitar. The impressive part is the throwing,a assuming it's heavy.

It piercing and penetrating the armour isn't impressive, because Exitar allowed it.

It's also a magic sword which most likely helps.

Anyways, so far the submarine forced through the water's surface I think is the best Aquaman has here.

@DS...
The scans made it clear that the force of the throw was the reason it pierced right through him.
The bit u are presenting most likely means that Arishem did nothing to defend himself.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying Exitar allowed the entry so he could study the blade. Which is on panel.

He allowed the blade to pierce his armour.

My point is, assuming say Jarvis could lift and throw the sword, it would also pierce Exitar. The impressive part is the throwing,a assuming it's heavy.

It piercing and penetrating the armour isn't impressive, because Exitar allowed it.

😂

So Exitar made himself...less durable?

That seems like terrible comprehension because the last panel specifically highlighted the force of the attack, not the lack of durability of Exitar:
"strikes the mammoth target--piercing the celestial chest with such force it passes completely through."

Allowing himself to get stabbed is very different from being easy to stab. If anything could do the job, why would it even be worthy of study for a Celestial?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

So Exitar made himself...less durable?

That seems like terrible comprehension because the last panel specifically highlighted the force of the attack, not the lack of durability of Exitar:
"strikes the mammoth target--piercing the celestial chest with such force it passes completely through."

Allowing himself to get stabbed is very different from being easy to stab. If anything could do the job, why would it even be worthy of study for a Celestial?

The panel after that specifically highlights how Exitar wasn't affected, and that he allowed it's entry. As you said, he's nigh omnipotent.

Worthy of study, because it's still magic and alien to him. It says so on panel....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's also a magic sword which most likely helps.

Anyways, so far the submarine forced through the water's surface I think is the best Aquaman has here.

@DS...
The scans made it clear that the force of the throw was the reason it pierced right through him.
The bit u are presenting most likely means that Arishem did nothing to defend himself.

Actually, the scans make clear it entered him because he allowed it to. So he could study it better. As Rage says, Celestials are nigh omnipotent- they can pretty much do anything.

Including reducing their durability if it means they can get the sword stuck in them. Thor specifically notes Exitar wasn't even affected.

It's like punching the Blob and he allows you to get stuck in his fat....so he can get a good look at you. Only this time Exitar let a sword go clean through him - so he can study it. He wasn't affected by the sword.