Thor vs Aquaman [pure strength]

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The panel after that specifically highlights how Exitar wasn't affected, and that he allowed it's entry. As you said, he's nigh omnipotent.

Worthy of study, because it's still magic and alien to him. It says so on panel....

That is not mutually exclusive. Your implying Exitar made himself less durable. I'm saying he simply did not defend himself and allowed himself to get pierced. I'm not sure why you think one means the other.

I'm sure Celestials can make their armor less durable but that is such an explict thing to do that to impart that on this scene is odd and completely defeats the entire purpose. It was intended to show Thor's strength despite being enormous, that it is completely useless next to Exitar's omnipotence.

Also, if you read Thor #300 and then Thor #387 with Exitar, you'll see why I'll find your assertion a bit absurd. Celesital armor was particularly annoying.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That is not mutually exclusive. Your implying Exitar made himself less durable. I'm saying he simply did not defend himself and allowed himself to get pierced. I'm not sure why you think one means the other.

I'm sure Celestials can make their armor less durable if need be, but if you read Thor #300 and then Thor #387 with Exitar, you'll see why I'll find that a little funny.

Which is my point - of all of Thor's feats, you chose one where there is doubt. Significant doubt? Some doubt? That's debatable, but what's not debatable is that there is leeway for doubt.

That Exitar made himself less durable so he could trap the sword in him, and study it.

Not necessarily making himself less durable either. He could have simply allowed it to phase into his body to catch it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Which is my point - of all of Thor's feats, you chose one where there is doubt. Significant doubt? Some doubt? That's debatable, but what's not debatable is that there is leeway for doubt.

That Exitar made himself less durable so he could trap the sword in him, and study it.

There's only doubt if you think I'm arguing Thor vs. Exitar. I'm not. I'm pointing out Thor threw the Odinsword with enough force to pierce his armor.

If you want to argue Exitar made himself less durable, you'll have to find a panel to support it. That's an entirely different beast from just not defending himself. The previous panel highlighted the force of the throw penetrating his armor. That's an odd thing to include based on your assertion.

The comic was explicit on how and why the sword pierced through. When you piece that scan with the scan where Arishem "allowed" it, common sence should tell you that he did nothing to defend against it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's only doubt if you think I'm arguing Thor vs. Exitar. I'm not. I'm pointing out Thor threw the Odinsword with enough force to pierce his armor.

If you want to argue Exitar made himself less durable, you'll have to find a panel to support it. That's an entirely different beast from just not defending himself. The previous panel highlighted the force of the throw penetrating his armor. That's an odd thing to include based on your assertion.

I'm arguing that Exitar allowed the blade's entry.

How he did so, is not for me to prove. You assert that it takes a great amount of force to pierce Celestial armour - I agree.

You also assert that Celestials are nigh omnipotent and can do whatever they want - I agree.

The sword was thrown with great force - I agree.

Enough force to destroy Celestial durability? I disagree. Because Celestials can do whatever they want, and Exitar wanted to study the sword up close and personal.

As I said, if the Odinsword isn't particularly heavy, yes, Aquaman could replicate the feat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol why are you guys arguing about Submarines?

One of my favorite Thor comics: Thor (After being blasted by Celestials when they were even more respected than now), lifts the Odinsword, and tosses it through Exitar with enough force to pierce completely through the armor:
https://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials01300.jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials02.jpg
https://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials03.jpg

We were just trying to measure the submarine feat... is there something wrong with that?

Absolutely nothing. U tell him PR! Aquaman, RAAAWR!!!

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The comic was explicit on how and why the sword pierced through. When you piece that scan with the scan where Arishem "allowed" it, common sence should tell you that he did nothing to defend against it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's only doubt if you think I'm arguing Thor vs. Exitar. I'm not. I'm pointing out Thor threw the Odinsword with enough force to pierce his armor.

If you want to argue Exitar made himself less durable, you'll have to find a panel to support it. That's an entirely different beast from just not defending himself. The previous panel highlighted the force of the throw penetrating his armor. That's an odd thing to include based on your assertion.

No

I will stroke out if you dweebs call Arishem Exitar one more time.

Cely is the only real fan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm arguing that Exitar allowed the blade's entry.

How he did so, is not for me to prove. You assert that it takes a great amount of force to pierce Celestial armour - I agree.

You also assert that Celestials are nigh omnipotent and can do whatever they want - I agree.

The sword was thrown with great force - I agree.

Enough force to destroy Celestial durability? I disagree. Because Celestials can do whatever they want, and Exitar wanted to study the sword up close and personal.

As I said, if the Odinsword isn't particularly heavy, yes, Aquaman could replicate the feat.

Also if we're going to get into the realm of nitpicks here.

Everyone is talking about about this sub feat and the amount of force needed to do this with a sub using real world physics.

Let me ask you something h1 because trust you. If a damaged sub was really hurled with such a force it probably would have broken to pieces well before it hit the surface correct?

Also all the fleshy meat people inside would have been turned into liquid correct?

I'm fairly confident in the idea that if they were really thrown that hard everyone on that sub would in fact be dead.

But we're not basing the 'nitpick', as you call it,on RL physics (well I'm not).

I'm basing it on EXITAR (😈 ) wanting to get up close and personal with the blade so he could study it,and thus, allowing its entry. I am basing it on the text.

I'm not questioning that it wasn't thrown with great force. Just that the actual piercing and going clean through Celestial armour is not necessarily that impressive.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But we're not basing the 'nitpick', as you call it,on RL physics (well I'm not).

I'm basing it on EXITAR (😈 ) wanting to get up close and personal with the blade so he could study it,and thus, allowing its entry. I am basing it on the text.

I'm not questioning that it wasn't thrown with great force. Just that the actual piercing and going clean through Celestial armour is not necessarily that impressive.

After all there is no reason for the Celestial to have had to been pierced to be able to get close and personal with it. If it bounced off they could have still examined it just fine.

Originally posted by Newjak
That is an interpretation that downplays the feat by nitpicking certain words to do so.

After all there is no reason for the Celestial to have had to been pierced to be able to get close and personal with it. If it bounced off they could have still examined it just fine.

True, and he could have frozen it in a forcefield, or made vines grow out of the ground to trap it , whatever.

But he didn't. He allowed it's entry so he could better study it. I mean,is it sub optimal? Well,as Thor notes, it didn't seem like he was even affected, so no skin off his nose,being stabbed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So even if we call it a nitpick,still completely different from what you're trying to do.

True, and he could have frozen it in a forcefield, or made vines grow out of the ground to trap it , whatever.

But he didn't. He allowed it's entry so he could better study it. I mean,is it sub optimal? Well,as Thor notes, it didn't seem like he was even affected, so no skin off his nose,being stabbed. [/B]

Correction if the Celestial was durable enough to withstand the sword it wouldn't have had to do anything to see it up close. You are saying the Celestial actively did something to downplay the result of what we saw in the panels.

Everything else you said would also be the Celestial actively doing something vs having to do nothing. That is the difference between what we are talking about.

Just like you've actively chosen to nitpick certain words to downplay said feat.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I will stroke out if you dweebs call Arishem Exitar one more time.

Cely is the only real fan.

But u can count on likes and view count.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's a different kind of nitpick yes but it's still to nitpick.

Correction if the Celestial was durable enough to withstand the sword it wouldn't have had to do anything to see it up close. You are saying the Celestial actively did something to downplay the result of what we saw in the panels.

Everything else you said was the Celestial actively doing something. That is the difference between what we are talking about.

Just like you've actively chosen to nitpick certain words to downplay said feat.

Yes, as denoted by the words he 'allowed' the entry.

That's the action he took. Moreover, being stabbed did nothing to him - you're acting like him getting stabbed was a negative - when it wasn't.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, as denoted by the words he 'allowed' the entry.

That's the action he took. Moreover, being stabbed did nothing to him - you're acting like him getting stabbed was a negative - when it wasn't.

Actually he took no action. You're the one who said he's actually taking action and making the scenario more complicated all to downplay a feat like a child arguing on the playground.

You're suggesting that the Celestial actively lowered his durability to allow the sword to pierce him so he could then remove said sword to examine it. When the sword bouncing off of him would have produced the same result and the Celestial wouldn't have had to do anything.

So instead of realizing this is a comic book and the allowed entry part simply means the Celestial didn't actively stop the sword, ie via force field or vines, you've chosen to nitpick the words to create a scenario that places the feat at the least likely interpretation because it fits your end goal of downplaying said feat.