Originally posted by h1a8
Thor didn't beat the ones who sit in Shadow through direct combat. And they literally have no feats.
Basically, his experience as a human combined with the Odin force's true power made him unpredictable and able to break the cycle of Ragnarok. It's got nothing to do with power level.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted all the relevant scans. And Loki never stated that he had the power of Asgard or he was a skyfather.Just stop. He gained the power of Odin as stated in both comic and handbooks.
Being able to drain Mangog (And adding his power to his own), having the power of Asgard, and the ability to resurrect Surtur certainly implies Skyfather.
We don't know how Superman's power is used to empower the Sun, but it didn't stop you from making entire threads about it.
Loki is known for his magic and the entire two pages noted his increased power. Do you have evidence that Loki used something other than his increased power or magic to perform the feat?
Originally posted by MrMind
RKT was far above Odin
Odin is not capable of destroying the ragnarok cycle
or destroying the thread of fate which holds the nine realms in an endless loop of death and rebirthdestroying the world tree is a feat that is universal to low multiversal level
Agreed. Even the manifestation of the Odin force was in awe of what rkt did.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We don't know how Superman's power is used to empower the Sun, but it didn't stop you from making entire threads about it.Loki is known for his magic and the entire two pages noted his increased power. Do you have evidence that Loki used something other than his increased power or magic to perform the feat?
Could be, couldn't be. We don't know how Loki resurrected Surtur.
Originally posted by Booya_69
Agreed. Even the manifestation of the Odin force was in awe of what rkt did.
Yeah because the Herald King, or Galactus for that matter could casually pluck a Sky Father's head off like pulling a grape off of a vine, keep the head alive, and have a full conversation with said head, but let's try to convince everyone that RK Thor was on Odin's power level despite Odin and the rest of Asgard getting their collective asses handed to them by Mangog, and while we're at it, let's glue wool onto their eyes and pretend that Loki with the power of Asgard, coupled with the power of Mangog wouldn't stuff Odin up Galactus' cosmic ass.
RK Thor would systematically destroy the Herald King, Galactus, and Odin together, and go on to beat the Black Winter so bad, that he'd be known as the White Summer.
He was beyond Odin, as we now know that Odin would've died in direct combat with Mangog, and Loki was well above Mangog.
For example, Odin vs Loki (of that particular story), Fenris, Mangog, Durok, etc = Odin gets trampled and killed.
Another thing, It could be argued that Mangog had all of his strength. It says on panel that Loki siphoned his magic. Mangog with all of his strength, couldn't budge RK Thor. But let's say that Loki did drain his strength. Loki with that strength couldn't stop RK Thor from casually plucking his head off as easily as plucking a grape off of a vine.
But let's attack RK Thor, right Abhi? This way we can avoid scrutinizing the Herald King's performance. Unless you're trying to lead us to believe that the boulder that drove the Herald King to his knees would also drive RK Thor to his knees, despite not being affected by any physical force that he ran into.
Originally posted by Stoic
He was beyond Odin, as we now know that Odin would've died in direct combat with Mangog, and Loki was well above Mangog.For example, Odin vs Loki (of that particular story), Fenris, Mangog, Durok, etc = Odin gets trampled and killed.
Another thing, It could be argued that Mangog had all of his strength. It says on panel that Loki siphoned his magic. Mangog with all of his strength, couldn't budge RK Thor. But let's say that Loki did drain his strength. Loki with that strength couldn't stop RK Thor from casually plucking his head off as easily as plucking a grape off of a vine.
But let's attack RK Thor, right Abhi? This way we can avoid scrutinizing the Herald King's performance. Unless you're trying to lead us to believe that the boulder that drove the Herald King to his knees would also drive RK Thor to his knees, despite not being affected by any physical force that he ran into.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Even feat wise RKT isn't more powerful than Odin.RKT makes a weakened Mangog cease to exist.
Odin causes a full power Mangog to cease to exist.
RKT defeats Loki (Mind you, Loki never said he had siphoned the magic of Asgard, just that he was Asgard now).
Odin defeats Loki and Absorbing Man who actually became Asgard.
Also RKT said he can't reverse what's already happened.
While Odin has reversed time before Thor killed several heroes in Thor First Thunder.
So yeah.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Rage has convinced me that Odin was weakened there.
Based on what exactly? Was Odin also weakened when the Dark Gods stormed Asgard? But I see what you're doing. Why don't we pick apart the Herald King? Weren't you gratuitously slinging boulders at him in the Superman vs Herald Thor debate? Yet in this disscusion we have the Herald King, an Odin plus character vs the Rune King. One of these guys is immune to Mangog sized assaults, and one of them was pulped by a Beta Ray Bill assault, and driven to his knees by a boulder tossed by creatures that possessed at best Spiderman levels of strength.
What kind of a person would have a difficult time seeing the vast differences in power? I mean, in order for what you say to be true, you'd have to present more than RK Thor not being able to change destiny, because from what I saw, the Herald King was unable to prevent Sif from removing Mjolnir from the battlefield, while RK Thor was able to tell Loki things about himself that not even he himself knew. Huge discrepancy.
Like I said, RK Thor would pull his head off, toss his body into a ravine, and have a civil conversation with his head.
Originally posted by Stoic
Based on what exactly? Was Odin also weakened when the Dark Gods stormed Asgard? But I see what you're doing. Why don't we pick apart the Herald King? Weren't you gratuitously slinging boulders at him in the Superman vs Herald Thor debate? Yet in this disscusion we have the Herald King, an Odin plus character vs the Rune King. One of these guys is immune to Mangog sized assaults, and one of them was pulped by a Beta Ray Bill assault, and driven to his knees by a boulder tossed by creatures that possessed at best Spiderman levels of strength.What kind of a person would have a difficult time seeing the vast differences in power? I mean, in order for what you say to be true, you'd have to present more than RK Thor not being able to change destiny, because from what I saw, the Herald King was unable to prevent Sif from removing Mjolnir from the battlefield, while RK Thor was able to tell Loki things about himself that not even he himself knew. Huge discrepancy.
Like I said, RK Thor would pull his head off, toss his body into a ravine, and have a civil conversation with his head.
Yes, Odin was weakened when Dark Gods beat Asgard.
You're posting nonsense now. Good luck with that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, we do. Its his power that was used to restore the sun on panel.Could be, couldn't be. We don't know how Loki resurrected Surtur.
Not because of any power related thing.
No we don't. In fact, he was shown using a machine, that could have done a dozen things from amplifying his mediocre power levels to making the process easier to accomplish.
Loki is a prolific magic user. It's what he's known for.
Loki rarely uses mystical artifacts for assistance unlike other mages for most of his feats.
Loki likes to brag and stack power. If he used for example, the Norn Stones, he'd still be wearing the Norn Stones.
It's not rocket science. If you think he used something other than his own magic, the onus is on you to prove it.