Originally posted by h1a8
He's dumber too. Absolutely no wisdom. Where's the wisdom he had when he sent Thor to Earth to humble him and solve Ragnarok?
Both Thor and Odin are completely different characters. The nobility and will is there, but they don't act, talk or interact like they use to. There was a huge shift into buffonery around the time Jane Thor came around for no particular reason than to justify her existence....
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No we don't. In fact, he was shown using a machine, that could have done a dozen things from amplifying his mediocre power levels to making the process easier to accomplish.
We are not talking about Thor here ragey boy.
Loki is a prolific magic user. It's what he's known for.
Loki rarely uses mystical artifacts for assistance unlike other mages for most of his feats.
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Sure, if I hadn't read pretty much every Thor comic ever.
Loki likes to brag and stack power. If he used for example, the Norn Stones, he'd still be wearing the Norn Stones.
It's not rocket science. If you think he used something other than his own magic, the onus is on you to prove it.
Yeah, the god of lies and trickery is a very honest person.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but he's weakened, so your main piece of evidence is gone......
How much of his strength was gone? If he was weak, you'd think that he would've mentioned this. Instead he appeared to be oblivious of the handicap. It actually says that his magic was siphoned, and not his strength. Or, like I mentioned, if you go back and read. I mentioned that if Loki siphoned his strength as well, then he was also dealt with with incredible ease. RK Thor was so powerful, that Asgard as a whole was at most as potent as a house made of cards, as we see how easily RK Thor was able to deal with one that held an intimate connection with it. Or, should we play pretend that Loki was at best a High Herald despite his testimony of the power that he appropriated over a period of time?
Originally posted by Stoic
How much of his strength was gone? If he was weak, you'd think that he would've mentioned this. Instead he appeared to be oblivious of the handicap. It actually says that his magic was siphoned, and not his strength. Or, like I mentioned, if you go back and read. I mentioned that if Loki siphoned his strength as well, then he was also dealt with with incredible ease. RK Thor was so powerful, that Asgard as a whole was at most as potent as a house made of cards, as we see how easily RK Thor was able to deal with one that held an intimate connection with it. Or, should we play pretend that Loki was at best a High Herald despite his testimony of the power that he appropriated over a period of time?
Are you moving onto Loki now?
Your main evidence was how Mangog treated current Odin. But if current Odin is weakened, that's a lot of context you missed out.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Are you moving onto Loki now?Your main evidence was how Mangog treated current Odin. But if current Odin is weakened, that's a lot of context you missed out.
My thoughts are on the entire subject as a whole, This includes any, and every power that RK Thor confronted, and not a singled out extravaganza featuring only Mangog. The sole piece of evidence that you've decided to be the main spectacle will actually be just a piece of the full puzzle.
Classic Thor gave Odin a fight when Odin disguised himself. Why wouldn't Jane Thor be able to do the same? Wait a sec...
Where did it explicitly state that Odin was weakened?
The book literally states that he went past Odin. His connection to the runes was far greater than Odin's connection was when he only sacrificed an eye. You Abhi, and anyone else is tripping if you believe that Odin was as powerful as RK Thor.
Originally posted by Stoic
How much of his strength was gone? If he was weak, you'd think that he would've mentioned this. Instead he appeared to be oblivious of the handicap. It actually says that his magic was siphoned, and not his strength. Or, like I mentioned, if you go back and read. I mentioned that if Loki siphoned his strength as well, then he was also dealt with with incredible ease. RK Thor was so powerful, that Asgard as a whole was at most as potent as a house made of cards, as we see how easily RK Thor was able to deal with one that held an intimate connection with it. Or, should we play pretend that Loki was at best a High Herald despite his testimony of the power that he appropriated over a period of time?
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he wasn't above Odin.
So nowhere in the comic did it explicitly stated that Thor gave both of his eyes because Odin only gave one and then he did something else? My memory is obviously a little hazy as it's been awhile, but that keeps popping in my head.
Which is really my only reason, pretty sure it said he was meant to be.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway since Dambo is backing out of the BZ, I'll make my argument right here.RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.
Unlike Odin he had to die and reborn to get the power of the runes because the cyclic nature of Ragnarok made sacrifices lesser, that's why Thor had to pluck out both his eyes instead of one.
Thor had only one advantage on Odin, he had lived as a mortal (which was a gift from Odin) and thus his actions were shielded from both Those who sit in the Shadows and Odinforce itself.
Recap and ending page of Thor 85 says the same.
Thor wasn't more powerful or knowledgeable than Odin, he was shielded from the older gods and fates themselves due to having lived as a mortal.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway since Dambo is backing out of the BZ, I'll make my argument right here.RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.
Unlike Odin he had to die and reborn to get the power of the runes because the cyclic nature of Ragnarok made sacrifices lesser, that's why Thor had to pluck out both his eyes instead of one.
Thor had only one advantage on Odin, he had lived as a mortal (which was a gift from Odin) and thus his actions were shielded from both Those who sit in the Shadows and Odinforce itself.
Recap and ending page of Thor 85 says the same.
Thor wasn't more powerful or knowledgeable than Odin, he was shielded from the older gods and fates themselves due to having lived as a mortal.
Oh i'll do the BZ, but you need to argue what I'm trying to debate, not something else.
Your stance needs to be: RKT is only slightly above Odin. And mine is that he is notceably above Odin.
Or, you think RKT is >= Odin and I say he is simply > Odin.
We can argue how to operationally define that, but you cannot take the stance that they are equal.
So, no backing out here lol.
I'm not precisely intimated by you:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t655309.html
5-0 , Abhi baby.
I read the entire BZ. Good stuff.
Really not sure how Strange would be able to drain Mjolnir and destroy it.
Strange has nowhere near the power or capabilities to mess with Mjolnir at that level without some ridiculous prep. Every time Strange has encountered Asgardian magic, it was clear it was potent/superior to anything else he deals with.
For example, a SINGLE branch from the World Tree made him the powerful he's ever been before (And Loki stalemated him):
Asgardian magic is the most powerful out of all divine pantheons.
Also that scan of Strange "beating" Thor was just a straight up lie lmao
Originally posted by abhilegend
You're just writing fanfiction.
You're using past events as a means to piece together something that happened much later. Scaling oftentimes changes with time as in this particular case.
The Herald King wasn't able to no sell several attacks that RK Thor wouldn't have even noticed. Loki and his forces for example, would have destroyed Beta Ray Bill.
So how do you skate around the boulder that clearly stunned the Herald King? I take your reluctance to post that one scan as an admittance of you admitting that you are wrong across the board. The scan of the boulder is what I'm talking about, just in case you're confused. Then you can post the scan of Beta Ray Bill bloodying the Herald King's mouth with an assault. Comparatively speaking, RK Thor is on a completly different level. It's like comparing a full powered Phoenix Avatar to an average Green Goblin.
Originally posted by Stoic
You're using past events as a means to piece together something that happened much later. Scaling oftentimes changes with time as in this particular case.The Herald King wasn't able to no sell several attacks that RK Thor wouldn't have even noticed. Loki and his forces for example, would have destroyed Beta Ray Bill.
So how do you skate around the boulder that clearly stunned the Herald King? I take your reluctance to post that one scan as an admittance of you admitting that you are wrong across the board. The scan of the boulder is what I'm talking about, just in case you're confused. Then you can post the scan of Beta Ray Bill bloodying the Herald King's mouth with an assault. Comparatively speaking, RK Thor is on a completly different level. It's like comparing a full powered Phoenix Avatar to an average Green Goblin.
Tbf, none of Rage, celey or Dambo would engage you on this point; I wonder why?