!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Started by cdtm298 pages

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But sometimes, even being less than twice as powerful than the other character is enough to easily stomp him/no-sell his attacks.

So it *can* be argued that being twice as powerful gives you way more than just "twice the feats".

Gonna save this argument, and post it every time we talk about Piccolo sneak attack form four Freeza away with a kick, Krillin getting the jump on him with an attack, or Recoome, or SSJ Gohan.. (Come to think of it, Krillin has a ton of showings above his weight class)

You know what happens when someone far weaker then Superman jump kicks him? They break their foot.

Krillin should never, EVER hurt someone at twice his power level, let alone the hundreds/thousands of times he's "ambushed".

The difference between Aquaman and Superman is far greater than the difference Krillin and Frieza. Yet we know Aquaman can throw hands with Clark a bit

Originally posted by cdtm
sneak attack

getting the jump on him

Thank you for taking your time to destroy your own post 👆

Originally posted by cdtm
You know what happens when someone far weaker then Superman jump kicks him? They break their foot.

Never happened, lol.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The difference between Aquaman and Superman is far greater than the difference Krillin and Frieza. Yet we know Aquaman can throw hands with Clark a bit

Aquaman is being seriously underrated here.

It's been lomg established since the early post crisis era that he's a peer of Wonder Woman and Superman, unlike in the PC era when a clear gulf was between him and everyone else.

Originally posted by Enzeru

Also...

Can someone show me a Dragonball character destroying a planet with a punch? You know, the same way Gladiator or Beta Ray Bill do it?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thank you for taking your time to destroy your own post 👆

Never happened, lol.

Come on, you know the point I'm making. 😛

Vegeta attacks Freeza with his strongest attack from behind. Freeza no sells it, as he should.

A more powerful Vegeta attacks Freeza. Freeza treats him like he's standing still.

Piccolo jump kicks Freeza, and he goes flying.

Krillin solar flare's Freeza, and he's so slow he gets blinded, where kid Goku was so fast he had time to grab Roshie's sun glasses off his head before the attack went off.

Freeza should be so fast and strong, he no sells everything ever and moves faster then mere humans and nameks could see. Just like when Goku fought Jeice and Burter.

Yet somehow, he's easily ambushed, and reacts to attacks, from characters far weaker to him, then Jeice and Burter were to Goku.

Originally posted by cdtm
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Goku saw the Taiyoken coming at that time.

Originally posted by cdtm
Aquaman is being seriously underrated here.

It's been lomg established since the early post crisis era that he's a peer of Wonder Woman and Superman, unlike in the PC era when a clear gulf was between him and everyone else.

No he isn't.

If you ask if Aquaman can bench a few million tons you'd have to dig deep and research and calc his feats to support it.

Its impressive to see him shoulder a small city block from underwater, while struggling.

No one has to ask if Supes can bench a few million tons because even an average feat of his blows that figure out of the water.

Supes is legitimately billions of times stronger than Aquaman. Same as Hulk is to Ben Grimm. Comic sliding scale is ridiculously forgiving though in fights.

Yeah. You can argue Arthur is a peer of Diana in the strength department, but Superman is and has been for a while now, in a whole other tier.

Originally posted by Classic NES

😂

I knew someone would post Arale scans sooner or later.

Enzoomafu is the only one straw manning that everyone else is arguing that it translates into literal planets being lined up and all destroyed based on a multiplication factor, and therefore collaterally they're weak because they couldn't. Everyone else is just going they're a lot more powerful than that. Simply mocking it and straw manning doesn't erase that fact. Are these characters not wildly more powerful or something? Why would we ignore this just because you can ineffectually mock it?

Ironically he also brought up not breathing in space as an important point, and it is. No one would argue against that, and that is possible in a thread. The problem is you can't acknowledge that and then try to attribute dying in space as a durability feat. That's very incongruous with what you know and have argued. Disingenuity gets caught; don't do that.

And to an earlier point that you landed on again, it was the fact that Earth was going to blow up yes. That is why Second Form Cell was so dangerous. It wasn't just the potency of the attack, it was how they couldn't attack either him or stop his attack due to the nature of it. I don't understand why we'd assume it was the minimum required focused energy either but I know why you would...
Basically in any other beam attack or ball threatening to destroy the planet they can simply stop it or "redirect it" in the complete opposite direction with a kick. We saw Cell try to destroy the Earth earlier and Gohan blasted him. With a bomb he just simply blows up and there's nothing to "redirect" it just hits the Earth and it goes away. Unless you think that attack was the same potency as Saiyan Saga Vegeta I'm not sure I understand your usage?

The issue of spreading energy over large distances may very well be a weakness but that doesn't speak to the potency of the attacks focused within. We saw Kid Buu casually fire an attack at Earth that would have destroyed it, and Vegeta instantly shoots it away. Kid Buu then charged up an attack that both Vegeta and Goku could not deflect no matter what and surprise suprise it "only" destroyed Earth even though it was many times more powerful. It's basically IG vs UN arguments. Some simply have more scope while the area of effect is more focused. Eternity fired all his power against Thanos and it was contained within a small sphere. You would say control of power and bingo you got your answer!
Goku's power could be relegated to a 100m distance at max and that wouldn't erase him being more powerful than all the other characters with greater feats. As a Marvel and especially Sentry fan you should understand that collateral damage means little. It doesn't need to be continually focused on when the earlier examples exist. As you acknowledged the Saiyans can breathe in space, so why not just have them fighting in the middle of solar system battles because that's possible with the restrictions.

And that leads to you then arguing that just random varying levels of planet destroying are a direct threat to durability. If you're under the assumption that SS Goku hitting Frieza with attacks that hurt him would have more effect than 1st Form Frieza's attacks then congrats; you agree Goku is focusing more attack into a small area than a planet destroyer can put out. Frieza then gets drained almost completely, cut in half, given a tiny bit of Goku's energy, and then blasted again, and THEN survives a planet blowing up right under him. It's not the planet destroying that's the threat, it's the - as you acknowledged - lack of breathing in space. Frieza even taunts Goku with that while doing it.

As well as core busting, Frieza specifically held back power and completely destroyed Namek's core. It's not just destroying the core and the planet immediately blows up in Dragon Ball, there's than that.

If Galan can post Frieza booting Vegeta's attack away that could destroy Namek that would be swell too. Simply redirection, nothing to do with might.

There's probably some more stuff but you won't respond directly to me so there's not a lot of care involved here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
😂

I knew someone would post Arale scans sooner or later.

I got the scans from a post Galan made tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah. You can argue Arthur is a peer of Diana in the strength department, but Superman is and has been for a while now, in a whole other tier.

He isnt a peer to Diana either.

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Originally posted by carver9
He isnt a peer to Diana either.

Yes he is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes he is.

Her fts FAR outweigh his. They are not peers.

Originally posted by carver9
Her fts FAR outweigh his. They are not peers.

In several criteria, he's her peer. And it's been made plainly obvious by DC in the last decade that they see them as such.

New52P+rebirth Aquaman doesn't count 👇

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
New52[b]P+rebirth Aquaman doesn't count 👇 [/B]

It does, but even if it didn't, you could still make the argument.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It does, but even if it didn't, you could still make the argument.