Originally posted by DarkSaint85Carver's been in your life for 9 years and all black people like anime so that accounts for the other... 39 years... ? Controlled by Carvers your whole life. Carvetrarian.
Yes, my entire life I have never watched the phenomenon that is DBZ.... because of Carver.Idiot.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Bran, SaintYou guys are joking, but there is some truth to it.
Whatever carver touched on KMC, instantly was considered to be cursed filth by other members.
There even was a thread with members admitting they were black... and the party ended when carver arrived. I'm not kidding.
Lmao seriously?
Originally posted by Galan007The 'examples' Enzeru mentioned are worthless, yes.
-Vegeta got hurt by a >1,000 ton robot, who also happened to be extremely powerful. The robot's weight is irrelevant in that context, lol.
Fact is that super saiyan Vegeta couldn't lift 1000. Fact is that we've seen Goku lift 40 tons in his super saiyan form. Fact is that saiyans can lift more than a regular human and that their strength starts capping out fairly quickly. They have super strength. It's just low as fuvk.
Is everyone else in the Dragonball universe out of a sudden a casual physical planet buster and that Vegeta was hit by enough force to shatter a planet? Is that how hard Magetta hit Vegeta? Since Vegeta was a casual planet buster at the beginning of Dragonball Z. Why should I believe that Dragonball characters ONLY have universal level striking abilities (according to crazed Dragonball fansboys), while having pretty shitty ass garbage lifting ability and having pretty bad physical durability?
Originally posted by Galan007-Broly protected himself from lava in a non-canon movie.
Ah, so basically in these non canon movies... Broly can casually destroy a planet and survive galaxy level explosions and therefore beat Galactus, but he can't handle lava? Because it's a non-canon movie? What about the very canon Dragonball Super. It looked like Vegeta wasn't very fond of Magettas lava attacks. Is that part non-canon as well?
Originally posted by Galan007-Gohan intentionally dodged the rocks that Goten was throwing in order to hone his abilities after years of inactivity. It was a training exercise.
Does this look like the face of someone, who wants to get hit by one of those rocks?
https://i.imgur.com/1zhAfWG.png
To me it doesn't. Gohan even went ahead and told Goten to step away further, so that he would be able to deal with the incoming rocks. If you're a casual multi-galaxy buster at that point in Gohan, why would you be scared of getting hit by a rock? Oh, "it's to train his reflexes", right?
No. Super saiyans have super durability. It's just low as fuvk. Power scaling doesn't fix that. And to another "argument" you made: Deflecting an energy ball capable of destroying a planet is not having planetary level hand durability – it's redirecting the opponents energy.
Originally posted by Galan007-Goku was hurt by a rock in a non-canon anime filler scene(never happened in the canon manga.)
This might be the dumbest non-counter-argument so far.
There has been plenty of shit in the anime, which hasn't appeared in the manga, which Dragonball fanboys have gladly taken into consideration. The most important part is that it fits your narrative, right?
Also, did super saiyan Gokus durability drop to normal human levels during that "non-canon" scene, where he got hit and hurt by a rock? Just stop.
Originally posted by One Big MobComic characters have never been dropped by lesser forces. That only happens in DB apparently. 👆
Magetta also punched Vegeta while he was trying to deadlift him too. A couple hundred tons slamming in an ultra dense fist super fast while you're focused on deadlifts. Imagine if in comics people got knocked out all the time by cheapshots of a lesser nature? Probably never happened.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You've seen me rag on the anime before for being wildly inconsistent. I don't know what you're trying to prove. They had a guideline and a bunch of writers and shit over their work constantly. If you're going to use the Krillin example all it does is allow for more power scaling much to your chagrin.Krillin was fodder to 1st Form Frieza who was above Buuhan. Frieza gets 226x stronger and loses to Base Goku. Goku gets years of growth and Krillin manages to push Base Goku to SS.
Krillin grew hundreds of times from a rusty state in less than 48 hours. DB has unlimited potential.
No point other then to let Darksaint know that Dragon Ball has plenty of inconsistency despite a much smaller creative input over comics.
Even subtracting the "Toei" filler or anime deviations from Toriyama's script, Toriyama himself can't keep track of his own continuity.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I was shocked that DBZ had the inconsistency, yes
Well, look at George Lucas. The Jedi either served the Republic for a thousand years or a thousand generations. George Lucas wrote both things.
Inconsistency happens a lot in manga, tbh. The writers are doing sometimes three four times a week over decades, its only natural they'd forget half the stuff they did between crunch deadlines and their seeming obsession with selling sex to children (Little Bulma exposing herself to an old pervert is tame compared to some stuff that gets put in stories sold to kids 😈 )
Ok so my question then is this.
We have canon power level readings for DBZ characters, right? Goku at one level is 20,000, SSJ2 is 40,000, whatever. We then scale off that, and we ignore low showings - and we define the low showings as being incompatible with the power level readings. Ok.
How then is that different to handbook arguing? I have s copy here that says Luke Cage is class 50....but in a forum fight, I'd be laughed at for using handbook power levels.
If it is because the DBZ power levels are "in universe"....how then is it different from Reed saying Sentry is outputting a million suns, and WWH is matching him?
@Enzuru...
Superman throws his blood at Wonder Woman and it cracks her sword.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4414/3429/1600/fortomorrow6.jpg
I feel confident Gohan doesn't want to get hit by those rocks that are coming at him from a strong Saiyan. The same rocks that brought a hilltop down.
Originally posted by EnzeruOkay? I've already said that DB has a wildly inconsistent gap when it comes to lifting strength vs. striking strength. The latter massively outclasses the former.
Fact is that super saiyan Vegeta couldn't lift 1000. Fact is that we've seen Goku lift 40 tons in his super saiyan form. Fact is that saiyans can lift more than a regular human and that their strength starts capping out fairly quickly. They have super strength. It's just low as fuvk.Is everyone else in the Dragonball universe out of a sudden a casual physical planet buster and that Vegeta was hit by enough force to shatter a planet? Is that how hard Magetta hit Vegeta? Since Vegeta was a casual planet buster at the beginning of Dragonball Z. Why should I believe that Dragonball characters ONLY have universal level striking abilities (according to crazed Dragonball fansboys), while having pretty shitty ass garbage lifting ability and having pretty bad physical durability?
I say again: if Goku can casually shatter mountains with a single punch, he isn't going to struggle lifting 40 tons. But that's how Toriyama has depicted things, so it is what it is.
Originally posted by EnzeruThe original movies are non-canon(they are basically set in alternate universes/timelines.) Why are you acting like this is some new revelation?
Ah, so basically in these non canon movies... Broly can casually destroy a planet and survive galaxy level explosions and therefore beat Galactus, but he can't handle lava? Because it's a non-canon movie? What about the very canon Dragonball Super. It looked like Vegeta wasn't very fond of Magettas lava attacks. Is that part non-canon as well?
I have no clue what kind of potency Magetta was producing with his heat attacks, and I'd rather not speculate. But as of the DBS/Broly film, Goku is literally swimming in lava alongside Broly.
And you're now moving goalposts with the Magetta example. At first you acted like Magetta hurting Vegeta had to do with the robot's weight, and pretended like the robot itself wasn't also extremely powerful... But now you've shifted to arguing something else? Interesting.
Originally posted by EnzeruThat looks like the face of someone who is legitimately shocked at how powerful his little brother is(the Daizenshuu confirms that Goten was equal to Gohan at the time, which Gohan obviously was not expecting.) I'm not going to speculate on what a rock thrown by Goten may(or may not) have done to Gohan, though... That's your area of expertise.
Does this look like the face of someone, who wants to get hit by one of those rocks?
https://i.imgur.com/1zhAfWG.pngTo me it doesn't. Gohan even went ahead and told Goten to step away further, so that he would be able to deal with the incoming rocks. If you're a casual multi-galaxy buster at that point in Gohan, why would you be scared of getting hit by a rock? Oh, "it's to train his reflexes", right?
No. Super saiyans have super durability. It's just low as fuvk. Power scaling doesn't fix that. And to another "argument" you made: Deflecting an energy ball capable of destroying a planet is not having planetary level hand durability - it's redirecting the opponents energy.
Gohan was not a "casual multi-galaxy buster", and no one here has claimed he was -- he was solar system level at best. Your butthurt is bleeding through.
I didn't make that "argument", but it is valid. 🙂
Originally posted by EnzeruAnime filler scenes that don't align with the original DBZ manga are, and have always been, non-canon(this isn't just my opinion, it's a known thing, lol.) I'm sorry if you don't like that?
This might be the dumbest non-counter-argument so far.
There has been plenty of shit in the anime, which hasn't appeared in the manga, which Dragonball fanboys have gladly taken into consideration. The most important part is that it fits your narrative, right?Also, did super saiyan Gokus durability drop to normal human levels during that "non-canon" scene, where he got hit and hurt by a rock? Just stop.
