Originally posted by One Big Mob
If Galan can post Frieza booting Vegeta's attack away that could destroy Namek that would be swell too. Simply redirection, nothing to do with might.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by Enzeru
No, I'm not ignoring that at all.[b]My first argument is:
that's not Gokus regular power. When an explosion goes off, it doesn't get stronger the further it travels from its source. It wears off and gets weaker. What we saw during Gokus and Beerus' fight was some kind of mystical non-sense... which is fine... and can very well universal power, I don't care. But it straight up does not mean that a Kamehameha fired by Goku can destroy a universe or something.Just think logically about it... If that destructive power needs to grow to universal level first the further it travels, who knows how weak it was at the very beginning when it left Gokus and Beerus fighting area? Fact is that it was weak, because it didn't destroy anything around them. It caused an earthquake and some tsunamis.
My second argument is: Why would a high herald care about that power? They're at the center of that fight at that point. Imagine Hyperion fighting Goku and Goku releases that power. Will Hyperion bother about power, which creates earthquakes and tsunamis? Of course not. He would punch a hole through Gokus chest. And then once Gokus power has become universal and destroyed the universe, Hyperion survives it anyway, because he survived two universes exploding.
Also...
Can someone show me a Dragonball character destroying a planet with a punch? You know, the same way Gladiator or Beta Ray Bill do it? Or how about surviving being punched with enough physical force to destroy a planet? There are over 400 episodes of the show. There has to be something, right? We're talking about casual universe busters here, are we not?
No? Hmmm. That's weird.
You're overthinking it.
My main issue with power scaling is... First off, it's not portrayed the same way in the manga / anime as Dragonball fanboys make it sound like. They say that base Goku had a power level of 10. Super Saiyan Goku got a x50 boost, so Super Saiyan Goku had a power level of 500 now. With base Goku being able to destroy a planet, Super Saiyan Goku must be able to destroy a solar system. And then Super Saiyan God Goku must be able to destroy a universe and easily be abstract Marvel characters like Death, Eternity and so on.
That's not implying power scaling... That's using no limits fallacy. And they completely ignore the FACT, that Dragonball characters NEVER bust anything more than a planet. Their ONLY saving grace is a mystical encounter between Beerus and Goku, which wasn't about power any longer, because what we saw there is not how power works.
What they do is the equivalent of what RealityWarper was doing: "Because Sentry defeated Molecule Man, his power level must be higher and therefore he must be an +multiversal character." But that's not how the Sentry is portrayed. If he was, he wouldn't even notice characters like Thor, Gladiator, Quasar and so on. In Annihilation Scourge we've seen it again that Sentry is above such character by quite a bit, but he still has his limits, even if those are ambigous.
In the minds of Dragonball fanboys there are no limits for these characters. These characters beat Galactus with a Kamehameha / Final Flash, even though they can't even survive the destructions of planets. I mean... look at Frieza destroying planet Vegeta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCUd2mxkl3o
How many super saiyans were there? How many of them were more powerful than Muten Roshi, who can bust a moon? They were all planet busters, yet they all died during a planetary explosion. And they died rather quickly according to Friezas scouter, so it's not as if they suffocated after minutes. They died with their planet. [/B]
They literally directly addressed the question of "Why isn't the Universe destroyed?!" when Kibitoshin is perplexed and even asks why nothing was destroyed as he notes how despite throwing powerful blows, the Macroverse isn't under a threat anymore. Elder Kai answered that by labelling the scenario as them having a "brawl", a.k.a. this explanation of what is going on is a reference to Goku and Beerus controlling the force of their blows so that their residual energies are suppressed, directed and focused to connect to and affect only each other specifically or cause as minimal destruction to the environment as possible. smh not all series have this factor since Dragon Ball uses its source of energy (KI) to EMPOWER its striking force. Kibitoshin's comment on the shockwaves having been universe-destroying further proving what was going on: