!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
I think it's fair to assume that an expert ki reader, like Goku, would be able to sense most ki signatures from comic characters, tbh... Especially in a forum battle.

I mean, Goku can sense the ki of pretty much any manner of species in the franchise(even the folks from completely different universes that he has obviously never encountered before.) You don't really have to get all philosophical with the concept, because it's extremely simple: in the world of DB, "ki"=a being's energy...and [almost] everyone has *some* type of energy that can be sensed(this holds true in comics as well.)

*On that note, you don't even have to be powerful to be sensed. Goku, for example, was able to lock onto Bulma's ki signature from atop Kami's Lookout:
https://i.imgur.com/2mZMfbb.jpg
...And Bulma is just a normal human -- but even normal humans contain energy/ki that can be sensed(weak as it may be.)

But if we're going to assume that Goku's ability to sense energy/ki is worthless against a comic character because they hail from different media, then I guess that means Genis Vell's cosmic awareness would also be equally as worthless against a DC character... Cuz different companies? Same thing with, say, Flash vs. Surfer: even though Surfer comes from a company where the Speed Force doesn't exist, we still assume that all of Flash's Speed Force-related shenanigans would be in play in a forum battle.

I can keep going with the analogies if need be, but I'm sure you get my point.

Fair enough.

Plus you're the admin, you could rule Superman fires off a Kamehameba if you wanted to. 😛

But I accept your logic.

I love when people don’t understand that as far as hax is concerned your stats don’t matter

That's not the case for Dragonball your hax is as effective as your power level. A weaker power level can't beat a stronger power level with hax. DBZ uses transitive property when it comes to power.

Originally posted by Classic NES
You tell me, after all you're the one claiming that a separate energy called"magical energy " exists in DB. So, go ahead and source that claim.

Galan's claim doesn't let you off the hook on this.

But since Galan is present, and a better DB scholar then I am by far, does Galan have an opinion on ki and magic being considered separate energies in Dragon Ball, or the same thing?

Because NES thinks they are the same type of energy at base (He also argues god ki is the same, except they "hold it in", and that's why no normal fighter can sense it.)

Originally posted by Galan007
I think it's fair to assume that an expert ki reader, like Goku, would be able to sense most ki signatures from comic characters, tbh... Especially in a forum battle.

I mean, Goku can sense the ki of pretty much any manner of species in the franchise(even the folks from completely different universes that he has obviously never encountered before.) You don't really have to get all philosophical with the concept, because it's extremely simple: in the world of DB, "ki"=a being's energy...and [almost] everyone has *some* type of energy that can be sensed(this holds true in comics as well.)

*On that note, you don't even have to be powerful to be sensed. Goku, for example, was able to lock onto Bulma's ki signature from atop Kami's Lookout:
https://i.imgur.com/2mZMfbb.jpg
...And Bulma is just a normal human -- but even normal humans contain energy/ki that can be sensed(weak as it may be.)

But if we're going to assume that Goku's ability to sense energy/ki is worthless against a comic character because they hail from different media, then I guess that means Genis Vell's cosmic awareness would also be equally as worthless against a DC character... Cuz different companies? Same thing with, say, Flash vs. Surfer: even though Surfer comes from a company where the Speed Force doesn't exist, we still assume that all of Flash's Speed Force-related shenanigans would be in play in a forum battle.

I can keep going with the analogies if need be, but I'm sure you get my point.

So, does ki sensing stops him from getting blitzed? Because that'd be weird since even with MUI jiren managed to tag him repeatedly

Originally posted by Classic NES
That's not the case for Dragonball your hax is as effective as your power level. A weaker power level can't beat a stronger power level with hax. DBZ uses transitive property when it comes to power.

you're using DB universe itself and how it handles hax as a mode to argue against all hax which is blatant NLF

Originally posted by cdtm

Because NES thinks they are the same type of energy at base (He also argues god ki is the same, except they "hold it in", and that's why no normal fighter can sense it.)

This is what was stated by the source material. What wasn't stated was that Magic uses entirely different energy than Chi.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
you're using DB universe itself and how it handles hax as a mode to argue against all hax which is blatant NLF

It's not a NLF, I'm not saying their immune to all hax I'm saying that they get more resistant with power level.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, does ki sensing stops him from getting blitzed? Because that'd be weird since even with MUI jiren managed to tag him repeatedly

No because if the person is a better fighter they can maneuver in way he cannot defend against.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think it's fair to assume that an expert ki reader, like Goku, would be able to sense most ki signatures from comic characters, tbh... Especially in a forum battle.

I mean, Goku can sense the ki of pretty much any manner of species in the franchise(even the folks from completely different universes that he has obviously never encountered before.) You don't really have to get all philosophical with the concept, because it's extremely simple: in the world of DB, "ki"=a being's energy...and [almost] everyone has *some* type of energy that can be sensed(this holds true in comics as well.)

*On that note, you don't even have to be powerful to be sensed. Goku, for example, was able to lock onto Bulma's ki signature from atop Kami's Lookout:
https://i.imgur.com/2mZMfbb.jpg
...And Bulma is just a normal human -- but even normal humans contain energy/ki that can be sensed(weak as it may be.)

But if we're going to assume that Goku's ability to sense energy/ki is worthless against a comic character because they hail from different media, then I guess that means Genis Vell's cosmic awareness would also be equally as worthless against a DC character... Cuz different companies? Same thing with, say, Flash vs. Surfer: even though Surfer comes from a company where the Speed Force doesn't exist, we still assume that all of Flash's Speed Force-related shenanigans would be in play in a forum battle.

I can keep going with the analogies if need be, but I'm sure you get my point.

Owned!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Owned!!!

It's sad that someone has to explain that Goku can sense Chi from regular humans.

Originally posted by Classic NES
It's not a NLF, I'm not saying their immune to all hax I'm saying that they get more resistant with power level.

No because if the person is a better fighter they can maneuver in way he cannot defend against.

That's nice but Mirror master would be in their eye before they even know it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's nice but Mirror master would be in their eye before they even know it.

Okay, then what? He can't physically harm Goku and Hit.

DC's greatest hero with his sidekick, both terrified of the Dragon Ball universe:

Originally posted by cdtm
Galan's claim doesn't let you off the hook on this.

But since Galan is present, and a better DB scholar then I am by far, does Galan have an opinion on ki and magic being considered separate energies in Dragon Ball, or the same thing?

It's also hard to know if they're sensing the magic itself, or the being using that magic. / shrug

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, does ki sensing stops him from getting blitzed? Because that'd be weird since even with MUI jiren managed to tag him repeatedly

Originally posted by Classic NES
Okay, then what? He can't physically harm Goku and Hit.

Physically, By sending out mirror clones of himself using the same abiltities he does while staying in the mirror dimension. Turning them into glass.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Physically, By sending out mirror clones of himself using the same abiltities he does while staying in the mirror dimension. Turning them into glass.

Okay, but how? Does he transmute them and if he does how does it work. Goku's been transmuted into candy before and still was able to fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... the writing in this last arc is terrible. Goku is going to give Moro a senzu bean in chapter 65. What in the hell.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/60594473/SmartSelect_20201013-004646_Twitter.jpg.html

Originally posted by Classic NES
Okay, then what? He can't physically harm Goku and Hit.

And this goes back to my original post,about the poorly defined nature of Mirror Master's powers.

In his dimension, do their powers still work? If he slits the throats of their reflections, killing them - do their reflections still have powers?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And this goes back to my original post,about the poorly defined nature of Mirror Master's powers.

In his dimension, do their powers still work? If he slits the throats of their reflections, killing them - do their reflections still have powers?

I don't see why not their natural strength, speed and durability should be the same.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I don't see why not their natural strength, speed and durability should be the same.

Because it's not quite the same. Perceptions are slowed, everything is slower:

Time can accelerate backwards:

That's what I meant. It's not just a dimensional trap.

Then I was wondering what happens when he starts slitting the throats of the reflections

Originally posted by cdtm
Plus you're the admin

Stop using words you don't understand.