!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
She's got some great shield showings, but anything alluding to her being able to soak a moon(or planet) buster?

Am sure you have seen them, but several off the top of my head (bear in mind I am using her top showings):

Against a scream from Bolt, when his whispers could crack planets:
https://i.postimg.cc/yxGm3HCj/2177812-5.png
https://i.postimg.cc/8ccdCC9s/2177813-6.png

Against Terrax, before he was a jobber (and who is trying to kill):

Against the Cancerverse Sentry and the entirety of the Cancerverse, with a planetary shield as she is talking to Reed:

And finally, the scans which made me wonder.

Against Cormorant, who has the power to split the Earth in two:

Doom is unable to defend against it:

"Incalculable might":

They have to use Franklin against him:

Who burns himself out:

Sidenote: Cormorant defies all known laws of physics:

Franklin burns all of his power out, and it does nothing. Susan manages to block his blows, when in full Mom mode:

Right. I was moreso looking for shield showings indicative of her being able to withstand a full-blown, planet-busting attack. Splitting/cracking a world in half is one thing; blowing it to smithereens is another.

But the latter(and most recent) set of scans could imply that her shielding is capable of doing so in the most dire of circumstances, imo. Granted Franklin is depowered, but he's still enormously powerful and burned himself out against Cormorant, while Sue's shielding held up against him for a moment. Great feat for sure.

That being said, I think Sue's highest-end shielding might be able to hold up against Saiyan saga Vegeta's earth-busting Galick Gun, but is very likely to get overwhelmed by Saiyan saga Goku's KKx4 Kamehameha(which was > the aforementioned Galick Gun.)

😂 😂 Is Saint SUGGESTING that Sue can shield against a top tier DBZ? I swear the guy level of ignorance is outstanding.

Yeah, and I mean, as a meta tier, that's not bad - Vegeta is one of the big boys isn't he?

He is.

But I'm talking about Vegeta as of the Saiyan saga -- back when he and Goku's powers were in their infancy(relative to now.)

What power level was he then?

Vegeta's PL was 18,000 back then.

For a point of comparison, Goku's PL by the end of the Namek saga(just one arc later) was 150,000,000.

Ahahaha ok. Stilt suggested a guy who was PL 900, and I've of course seen the memes about PLsbeing over 9000 being something amazing, so 18k isn't bad for a soccer mom.

Tbf, I think Sue being able to shield against Saiyan saga Vegeta is really pushing it, but I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt by extrapolating the hell out of her feats. 😛

👆 that is the only true way to debate 👆

Question for you guys;

Why doesn't Whis rewinding time to save the Earth in ROF count as him interfering with mortal business? Is it ever explained? I am just curious how he isn't erased like Merus for doing that?

Originally posted by LordGod
Question for you guys;

Why doesn't Whis rewinding time to save the Earth in ROF count as him interfering with mortal business? Is it ever explained? I am just curious how he isn't erased like Merus for doing that?

Originally posted by LordGod
Question for you guys;

Why doesn't Whis rewinding time to save the Earth in ROF count as him interfering with mortal business? Is it ever explained? I am just curious how he isn't erased like Merus for doing that?

Just like when Whis rewound time to save Gowasu(who is from a different universe entirely), and resurrected Freeza at the end of the ToP: even though all of these actions technically violated the Angel code, Beerus gave him the go-ahead, so it was permissible.

Or another example- Vados destroying a planet after Champa ordered her to do so:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP1Ggmkk-vk&t=0m38s
*And the heavy implication is that it was certainly not the first time she had wiped out a planet for him.

It seems like a Destroyer's authority supersedes the Angel code. Essentially, an Angel can do absolutely anything(even if it means they aren't maintaining neutrality) as long as they are doing so at the behest of their Destroyer. If an Angel violates the code without the approval of their Destroyer, however, they get Merus'd.

Champa could have easily wiped that planet out just like Valda did. Wonder why he asked her but your post makes sense.

Of course he could have(Champa was physically one-shotting planets in the manga, remember.)

But Champa is even lazier than Beerus, so it makes sense that he'd have Vados do his job for him whenever possible.

This is a RACE; Starting Line is Earth(Sahara Desert)Each Contestant must make it to the Supreme Kai's Planet(Tag him) and Back. Location is known to all Participants. Who wins,comes in Second and loses?

(Instant Transmission is allowed)

Lol... instant transmission is instantaneous movement. How can anyone outrace that? Also, the Supreme Kai planet is in another dimension. Can any of the other fly to the point of breaching a dimension?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ahahaha ok. Stilt suggested a guy who was PL 900, and I've of course seen the memes about PLsbeing over 9000 being something amazing, so 18k isn't bad for a soccer mom.

Power levels are essentially a way to measure who is stronger then whom in universe, but otherwise bullshit outside of that context.

For example, in universe Master Roshie very casually blew up the moon. This was within the first chapters of the entire franchise. Goku was like the monkey king from Journey to the West, with an inexplicable monkey tail on him. Being an alien from another world was not an invented concept yet.

Fast forward some 17-18 volumes of rhe franchise, and Akira Toriyama retcons Goku as being an alien from a race of alien conquerors, who bring devices called "Scouters" with them, and the invention of "Power Levels" comes to exist. Master Roshie had a power level of around 180-200. Goku was 400.

Further, Roshie's power level of 180-200 is after much training, meaning he was definitely weaker when he casually dusted a moon in the 21st Budokai against Goku. How much weaker, we have no way of knowing.

So bottom line, Vegeta is the first character to directly threaten the Earth with destruction, at a power level of 18k. This does not mean you need a power level of 18k to destroy the Earth.

All it really means, is Vegeta at 18k is stronger than Goku at over 9 thousand.

The numbers are not a feat, though fans will use the numbers to argue potential feats through multiplications of useless numbers, ala "If Goku can dust a planet here, he can destroy a galaxy here!"

Even though we have no idea what the numbers actually mean, or how they relate to destructive potential. For all we know, a very wide gap of numbers can mean very incremental gains, or vice versa. Or they may mean something else entirely. Smaller numbers HAVE hurt bigger numbers in canon, as much as the fans come up with excuses as to why (He wasn't ready! He was holding back! He was distracted! He was tired!)

If someone is stronger, faster, more durable and can generate more power due to the numbers, lol, it is a ft.

Love this scene where Goku brags that he is harder to destroy than a planet...

/bK_zz6MLnvs