Like I said: it comes down to precog + choke.
Vader's precog is such that he was able to successfully pilot a Star Destroyer through the chaos of the Unknown Regions, while moving through hyperspace. IOW, he was using his precog to dodge planets, moons, asteroids, comets, and all other manner of random space debris that are endlessly hurling through the Unknown Regions... whilst piloting a mile-long vessel that was moving at FTL speeds. That is absolutely ridiculous.
So yeah, it's conceivable that his precog would allow him to choke-out Goku before he was blitzed to death, imo.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Kittens can walk their 2 lb bodies. They dont have the strength to walk 170 lbs of weight on them.So yeah, hyperbole and No limits fallacies being abused it seems.
Just to provide backup for my statements, so we know it is not mere hyperbole:
Nth Man (who was multiversal at the time):
https://i.postimg.cc/q7SHLpNs/M2-N1-V1-058-032.jpg
Bonus for Carv: the Thing's strength was also being negated at the same time:
And before anyone says, yes, Ben's arm went completely, and he was running on his Heart Force lol:
Grandmaster (bonus: once more, they say he negates all forms of energy):
Quasar (bonus for Carv, he negates gravity, the Quantum Man AND Quasar's Quantum Bands at the same time as he expands his field):
Note what a pacifist he is, lmao. Even when the other guy throws the first punch, he's still chatting away and calling him friend, what a hippy.
Klaw (sonics won't work):
https://i.postimg.cc/VNp6xBbC/M2-N1-V1-058-004.jpg
Hulk:
https://i.postimg.cc/j2WnBTB9/RCO015-1466355921.jpg
Solarr (as a bonus):
https://i.postimg.cc/YSV8GVTy/M2-N1-V1-057-009.jpg
Further bonus, Vance Astro (i.e. psionics):
https://i.postimg.cc/0N4F1x1V/Marvel-Two-in-One069-11.jpg
That psionic fog, as the scan says, was powerful enough to block Captain Marvel's cosmic awareness.
As I said before - his Null Field is powered by a Cosmic Cube. Arguing it is a no limits fallacy is....well, a fallacy.
The reason why he isn't an absolute monster in a forum fight, is because his character isn't to fight, not really, as shown.
But Carver's challenge is worded perfectly for him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I'm going to say this controversially, God level Goku's chi output is perhaps even greater than a cosmic cube.
Just to provide backup for my statements, so we know it is not mere hyperbole:Nth Man (who was multiversal at the time):
https://i.postimg.cc/q7SHLpNs/M2-N1-V1-058-032.jpg
Bonus for Carv: the Thing's strength was also being negated at the same time:
And before anyone says, yes, Ben's arm went completely, and he was running on his Heart Force lol:
Grandmaster (bonus: once more, they say he negates all forms of energy):
Quasar (bonus for Carv, he negates gravity, the Quantum Man AND Quasar's Quantum Bands at the same time as he expands his field):
Note what a pacifist he is, lmao. Even when the other guy throws the first punch, he's still chatting away and calling him friend, what a hippy.
Klaw (sonics won't work):
https://i.postimg.cc/VNp6xBbC/M2-N1-V1-058-004.jpgHulk:
https://i.postimg.cc/j2WnBTB9/RCO015-1466355921.jpgSolarr (as a bonus):
https://i.postimg.cc/YSV8GVTy/M2-N1-V1-057-009.jpgFurther bonus, Vance Astro (i.e. psionics):
https://i.postimg.cc/0N4F1x1V/Marvel-Two-in-One069-11.jpgThat psionic fog, as the scan says, was powerful enough to block Captain Marvel's cosmic awareness.
As I said before - his Null Field is powered by a Cosmic Cube. Arguing it is a no limits fallacy is....well, a fallacy.
The reason why he isn't an absolute monster in a forum fight, is because his character isn't to fight, not really, as shown.
But Carver's challenge is worded perfectly for him.
Posted again:
Multiple normal humans, in fighting shape, suddenly being shut off by Aquarian (along with their guns). Cap is even cut off mid-sentence, it was that quick.
Carver: AHA! But why wasn't Cap affected?
You see, I have shown he can expand and contract his field at will - here, he contracts it so Quasar can function (note more hippy dippy stuff):
He can control the degree to which it negates energy (see the Pegasus Project scans). So Cap....wasn't negated, because he was helping him. He expands the field, shuts the goons down, and then contracts it so he doesn't take Cap out. Really simple stuff here. Note, though, how Cap needs to be helped to his feet, and how earlier, it worked just as well on Cap just by him being there:
But Carver, stop being coy. What is your point? That he can't shut multiple energies down (lol)? Then be happy I showed you Aquarian shutting the Quantum Bands, gravity for multiple people AND Quantum Man down simultaneously.
Or the scan where Thing loses his strength, AND a multiversal being like the Nth Man is being negated at the same time.
Edit: for Galan, on our convo about wind/air-pushing:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, assuming he's just standing there being a pacifist.Which the challenge specifically says he isn't. That's why he's pretty deadly in a forum battle like this - most of the time, he's a hippy pacifist who doesn't fight back and prefers to talk things out (he's meant to be a parody of Superman).
Here, he's trying to take Goku out. And he's still like a class 1 level guy who can fly and has energy blasts.
And it assumes he doesn't just shut Goku down. You don't just become human level - if he wants, he can nullify your energy levels even lower than human level.
Even at class one with flight, Goku skills should still allow him to take Aq out.
Also, being weak as a kitten as stated before is hyperbole.
Originally posted by carver9
Even at class one with flight, Goku skills should still allow him to take Aq out.Also, being weak as a kitten as stated before is hyperbole.
How? His punches won't land, for example. And it's not quite hyperbole, as I clearly show those four guys attacking Cap being taken out very quickly, so quickly Cap didn't even know what was happening and needed to be helped up to his feet ,even though Aq wasn't targeting him.
Then there is the scan with Cap, all woozy and him on all fours telling Aquarian to come back (who wasn't even trying to fight him and was walking away).
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm honestly not even sure what the narration is saying here..? 😕
The null field negates wind (the eternal push-pull).
Question... we see scans of him stopping things from hitting him like a thrown shield or falling debris but what if someone outside of his null field had a pole and was trying to stab him with the pole from the outside of the field, what happens? Someone pushing a pole at him but not being inside of the field that's wrapped around his body. Let's say if Superman had an indestructible pole and instead of swinging it, he tries to push it through Aquarian, what happens? Remember, Superman is doing this outside of the field (but he would have to push past Aquarian powers to get to him).
Originally posted by carver9
Question... we see scans of him stopping things from hitting him like a thrown shield or falling debris but what if someone outside of his null field had a pole and was trying to stab him with the pole from the outside of the field, what happens? Someone pushing a pole at him but not being inside of the field that's wrapped around his body. Let's say if Superman had an indestructible pole and instead of swinging it, he tries to push it through Aquarian, what happens? Remember, Superman is doing this outside of the field (but he would have to push past Aquarian powers to get to him).
