!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by Mendax
So as long as your Cap level you can just hop past his shields and mma him? Well then Goku just lowers his ki and does that. Problem solved. 😄

Well, assuming he's just standing there being a pacifist.

Which the challenge specifically says he isn't. That's why he's pretty deadly in a forum battle like this - most of the time, he's a hippy pacifist who doesn't fight back and prefers to talk things out (he's meant to be a parody of Superman).

Here, he's trying to take Goku out. And he's still like a class 1 level guy who can fly and has energy blasts.

And it assumes he doesn't just shut Goku down. You don't just become human level - if he wants, he can nullify your energy levels even lower than human level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So when in the Pegasus Project facility, Aquarian expanded his null field over the entire building. For reference, this is its size:
https://i.postimg.cc/vmCbS2FJ/M2-N1-053-033.jpg

Note that it's completely underground, and needs machinery to pump air etc.

As he did so, he was shutting off everything. Even guns stopped working:
https://i.postimg.cc/CK9Fdh7B/M2-N1-V1-058-013.jpg

Including life support:
https://i.postimg.cc/MGL79Fb2/M2-N1-V1-058-016.jpg

Note how people were unable to breathe, choking and collapsing - even metahumans like Ben Grimm were starting to struggle. But Aquarian was fine. So on balance, I'm pretty confident he doesn't need to breathe, or at least doesn't need oxygen. He DOES seem to have a circulatory system, however, as he was strangled before. Comics, eh?

As for your questions, yeah, the solar flare - or at least, the portion that would hit his field - would dissipate. Imagine a force field around him, like in my scan with the TP fog....any energy that is above a certain level, just ceases to exist.

With regards to the propelled air, my reading of it is that if the propelled air is above a certain level in kinetic energy, that energy would be nullified - just like the concrete beam. It just.....floats away.

What else has it failed against? Marvel Zombie Deadpool bit him (and he subsequently healed himself, something that no one else has ever done to my knowledge), he has been strangled, and Cap has aikidoed him before. The strangling and the aikido, was when he was a pacifist hippie, so I'd almost discount them - judo throwing WWH is easy if he's just standing there, not fighting you, after all.

So I.....guess Goku could use his speed, bullrush Aquarian and stop JUST before the null field, and then slow down to bite him at (relatively) human speeds? Bearing in mind he doesn't have the bonus of a virulent zombie plague, nor an amazing HF (Aquarian blasted right through him with his energy blasts after the bite).

Edit: btw, that tactic espoused by cdtm would fail. Why? Because in his immediate vicinity, there would be no vacuum. Air would be normal.

As he expands the field, more and more air would be available. Assuming he needs to breathe, that is.

In the comic scene, Hat actually goes outside the the magic air filled area. Into the vaccume of space.

How Superman was able to super breath into a vacuum is anyones guess, but he's frozen stars and such, so one of those comic things.

I'm still seeing people functioning while all of that going on. Them checking their guns, etc... I haven't seen a single person being unable to move. Also, I seen him use the kinetic energy sapping but the guy he did it on was still able to use his powers. Can he sap powers and remove kinetic energy at the same time? Asking if Goku can be powerless and unable to move at the same time? If so, scans please.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm still seeing people functioning while all of that going on. Them checking their guns, etc... I haven't seen a single person being unable to move. Also, I seen him use the kinetic energy sapping but the guy he did it on was still able to use his powers. Can he sap powers and remove kinetic energy at the same time? Asking if Goku can be powerless and unable to move at the same time? If so, scans please.

Read the scans, Carv, please, and try to understand them.

The fact that Galan (one of the biggest DB fanboys here) isn't asking the same questions you are, should be a red flag in your mind.

He drops them to human level, then stops further nullification, because he's NOT FIGHTING THEM. In every scan I've posted, he's not fighting - because he doesn't fight. That's the entire point of his character.

But your challenge says he will fight.

Your constant requests are like me asking for Goku fighting against a null field (lol).

But READ the scans. He negates ALL POWER, INCLUDING KINETIC. He doesn't just go 'ah, let me remove kinetic, now let me remove light energy, now heat'.

Stop trolling, lol.

Double post: remember, he still can blast energy, has Class 1 strength, and can fly.

And he negates ALL ENERGY at once. Not one energy at a time (lol).

What about TK?

What happens if Goku simply TK lifts a ton if debris and trees and such over Aquarians head? Would it slowly descend onto him and crush him as he slowly tries to walk away?

So what about Aquarian against Zeno?

Null field repels abstract level power. What happens if Zeno is caught in the null field?

I guess I have to dig through Dark scans to see if he used kinetic stoppage AND power dampened at the same time. Don't know why you mentioned Galan. Galan didn't question you on Fantomex abilities either. I honestly don't think he cares about this topic enough to agree or disagree. I do though.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess I have to dig through Dark scans to see if he used kinetic stoppage AND power dampened at the same time. Don't know why you mentioned Galan. Galan didn't question you on Fantomex abilities either. I honestly don't think he cares about this topic enough to agree or disagree. I do though.

It neutralises all energy above a certain level at once, Carv. That's a fundamental definition of it.

You caring so much shows your bias.

Edit: but come now, don't be coy - it's me, DS. What hamfisted argument are you trying to make with these questions? That the null field will block his ki, but he'll still be a normal human with all his skills?

Because that's not how it works. If he, as a normal person, tries to punch Aquarian, the effect is still the same - nullification.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It neutralises all energy above a certain level at once, Carv. That's a fundamental definition of it.

You caring so much shows your bias.

Edit: but come now, don't be coy - it's me, DS. What hamfisted argument are you trying to make with these questions? That the null field will block his ki, but he'll still be a normal human with all his skills?

Because that's not how it works. If he, as a normal person, tries to punch Aquarian, the effect is still the same - nullification.

That goes for Aquarian too though.

His null field keeps him from basic acts like running. He isn't immune to his own power.

Originally posted by carver9
I guess I have to dig through Dark scans to see if he used kinetic stoppage AND power dampened at the same time. Don't know why you mentioned Galan. Galan didn't question you on Fantomex abilities either. I honestly don't think he cares about this topic enough to agree or disagree. I do though.

Originally posted by cdtm
That goes for Aquarian too though.

His null field keeps him from basic acts like running. He isn't immune to his own power.

He can still fly, have super strength, and fire energy blasts.

Specifically called out by Ben. Who also notes how he's weaker just by being close.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's more that I just don't know enough about Fantomex and Aquarian to make an argument.

Lies. You just don't care 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It neutralises all energy above a certain level at once, Carv. That's a fundamental definition of it.

You caring so much shows your bias.

Edit: but come now, don't be coy - it's me, DS. What hamfisted argument are you trying to make with these questions? That the null field will block his ki, but he'll still be a normal human with all his skills?

Because that's not how it works. If he, as a normal person, tries to punch Aquarian, the effect is still the same - nullification.

I'm seeing different effects. At one hand, people are still able to move and he can switch it up to where it removes your kinetic energy. I haven't seen both at the same time. Most of the time, people are still functioning. This is why I asked you to show both. Per your scan above, Ben said it was weakening him (not crippling him) but he was still able to move around just like the soldiers that were trying to use their guns but couldn't.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lies. You just don't care 👆

Lmao

Originally posted by carver9
I'm seeing different effects. At one hand, people are still able to move and he can switch it up to where it removes your kinetic energy. I haven't seen both at the same time. Most of the time, people are still functioning. This is why I asked you to show both. Per your scan above, Ben said it was weakening him (not crippling him) but he was still able to move around just like the soldiers that were trying to use their guns but couldn't.

Because - and I really cannot keep stressing this - ANY energy above a certain level, gets completely nullified within the field.

All energy:

All:

All:

Locks stop working, and yes, normal humans who get within 10 feet of him (when he doesn't expand his field) become weak as a kitten:

I mean, kittens can bloody walk, lmao. Just because they are weak, doesn't mean they can't walk lol.

Would Goku, at the level of a kitten in terms of strength and speed, be able to hurt Aquarian? Look at the last scan above. His Null field is powered by a Cosmic Cube, lmao.

His main weakness, as my circled panel above says, was that he didn't want to fight, and was a being of peace. But in this scenario, he is looking to win a fight and go all out.

how would this same goku do against darth vader?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because - and I really cannot keep stressing this - ANY energy above a certain level, gets completely nullified within the field.

All energy:

All:

All:

Locks stop working, and yes, normal humans who get within 10 feet of him (when he doesn't expand his field) become weak as a kitten:

I mean, kittens can bloody walk, lmao. Just because they are weak, doesn't mean they can't walk lol.

Would Goku, at the level of a kitten in terms of strength and speed, be able to hurt Aquarian? Look at the last scan above. His Null field is powered by a Cosmic Cube, lmao.

His main weakness, as my circled panel above says, was that he didn't want to fight, and was a being of peace. But in this scenario, he is looking to win a fight and go all out.

Kittens can walk their 2 lb bodies. They dont have the strength to walk 170 lbs of weight on them.

So yeah, hyperbole and No limits fallacies being abused it seems.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Kittens can walk their 2 lb bodies. They dont have the strength to walk 170 lbs of weight on them.

So yeah, hyperbole and No limits fallacies being abused it seems.

He nullified the Nth Man (Google who he is, or Zopzop can tell you). It might sound like I am using no limits, but it is what happened.

When Grandmaster teleported the heroes and villains for the Contest of Champions, it specifically failed against Aquarian because of his field.

He shut Quasar down, even when unconscious.

He nullified Klaw.

Hulk throwing stuff at him didn't work. He's just haxx like that.