!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
Seems like it could work.

Ki, energy, PL... They're all the same thing in DB. So as mentioned, if Aquarian's null-field dropped Goku's PL down to 1, then he'd essentially become weaker than your average human.

Remember that you're also using a very specific version of Goku here. Back then, he wasn't nearly as haxx as he would become in DBZ/DBS.

And getting weaker. Aquarian was making average humans pass out - if Goku tries to bullrush Aquarian, that just brings him closer to the field. If he tries to keep his distance and blast, eventually Aquarian could get him, whilst at the same time his own field would stop any energy hurting him.

Goku needs Aquarian to not fight back....then he is weak. I mean, am pretty sure a human could strangle Aquarian slowly if he allowed it. Low energy levels are how you can defeat him - it only neutralises energy above a certain (low) level, as shown in my scans that people are obv ignoring.

But Carver's made a very very convincing argument for days and pages now, that Goku would charge in and attempt a speed blitz.

And made it abundantly clear BOTH sides are actually fighting to win. Something that Aquarian rarely did.

I also said he would blast, lol.

Also, if Goku threw a rock at Aquarian as hard as he could, how would Aquarian counteract that. Yes, I seen where he snatched the kinetic energy from someone (you're making Aquarian this versatile monster while not doing the same for Goku) but if Goku grabbed a rock at super speed and threw it, what would happen?

Originally posted by carver9
I also said he would blast, lol.

Ah so he's punching and blasting. None of which would work 🙂

And yes, the null field is always on 😂

Originally posted by carver9
Also, if Goku threw a rock at Aquarian as hard as he could, how would Aquarian counteract that. Yes, I seen where he snatched the kinetic energy from someone (you're making Aquarian this versatile monster while not doing the same for Goku) but if Goku grabbed a rock at super speed and threw it, what would happen?

This:

Not to mention, see the scan where a concrete beam was toppling on him....it just floated away when it got near him.

So now Goku is punching, blasting, and throwing rocks. What else?

Originally posted by carver9
Also, if Goku threw a rock at Aquarian as hard as he could, how would Aquarian counteract that. Yes, I seen where he snatched the kinetic energy from someone (you're making Aquarian this versatile monster while not doing the same for Goku) but if Goku grabbed a rock at super speed and threw it, what would happen?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here, a concrete beam with no superhuman stats (lol)loses its energy.
https://i.postimg.cc/W4yHvtnK/CAANN07-17a.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Depends how Aquarian's null-field would affect Goku's ki. For example, would it drop him from, say, a PL of 250... Down to a PL of 1? Because in that case, he'd be weaker than farmer with a shotgun:

All of Goku's stats revolve around his ki/PL at any given time. He was that strong as a child because he, being a Saiyan, was naturally born with a greater ki/PL than 99% of earth's inhabitants, and as such, was already very strong at the onset... But if his ki is gimped, then so are his abilities.

Answer this post, Dark. Does it drop people power levels to one.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this post, Dark. Does it drop people power levels to one.

Less. I've already answered it.

If power level 1 is an average human, he brought it BELOW those levels (because they were KOd, or because they were weaker than a kitten).

I mean, there are certain tactics Goku might be able to use to beat Aquarian.

One that comes to mind is using a Solar Flare at the onset to temporarily blind Aquarian, then using a ki blast to create a deep hole in the field, then using a kiai(a powerful air based attack) to push Aquarian into the hole(#NoHomo). That might constitute a BFR win. /shrug

Though I'm also not sure how adept Goku was with kiai attacks back then..?

Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, there are certain tactics Goku might be able to use to beat Aquarian.

One that comes to mind is using a Solar Flare at the onset to temporarily blind Aquarian, then using a ki blast to create a deep hole in the field, then using a kiai(a powerful air based attack) to push Aquarian into the hole(#NoHomo). That might constitute a BFR win. /shrug

Though I'm also not sure how adept Goku was with kiai attacks back then..?

I don't think wind pushing would work....as the air molecules get near to him, they'd just lose power (if I am explaining it right).

It would be nothing more than a gentle breeze. Not to mention a flare wouldn't work either.

Solarr tried sneak attacking him

https://i.postimg.cc/YSV8GVTy/M2-N1-V1-057-009.jpg

A Solar Flare is just a burst of [very] high intensity light that would be emitted from Goku -- it's meant to temporarily blind the opponent. It's not an attack that you blast at your opponent, per se(definitely not in the same sense as a normal ki attack.) Though I suppose if Goku just wanted to stall for a bit of time, and/or confuse Aquarian, he could also use the after-image technique. /shrug

You mentioned above that Aquarian's null-field only affected energy above a certain (low) level. That said, are you confident that it would nullify propelled air currents?

Originally posted by Galan007
A Solar Flare is just a burst of [very] high intensity light that would be emitted from Goku -- it's meant to temporarily blind the opponent. It's not an attack that you blast at your opponent, per se(definitely not in the same sense as a normal ki attack.) Though I suppose if Goku just wanted to stall for a bit of time, and/or confuse Aquarian, he could also use the after-image technique. /shrug

You mentioned above that Aquarian's null-field only affected energy above a certain (low) level. That said, are you confident that it would nullify propelled air currents?

Probably.

But he still needs to breath. Meaning air can be removed from his environment.

Like this:

YouTube video

Originally posted by Galan007
A Solar Flare is just a burst of [very] high intensity light that would be emitted from Goku -- it's meant to temporarily blind the opponent. It's not an attack that you blast at your opponent, per se(definitely not in the same sense as a normal ki attack.) Though I suppose if Goku just wanted to stall for a bit of time, and/or confuse Aquarian, he could also use the after-image technique. /shrug

You mentioned above that Aquarian's null-field only affected energy above a certain (low) level. That said, are you confident that it would nullify propelled air currents?

I assumed that any wind strong enough to override his own flight powers would be too high for the null field. Obviously, I am assuming because that specific attack hasn't been used to the best of my knowledge. As for the flare:

https://i.postimg.cc/0N4F1x1V/Marvel-Two-in-One069-11.jpg

Here, a telepathic fog/cloud that was as AoE as one can make it (i.e.not specifically directed at him) was nullified.

Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, there are certain tactics Goku might be able to use to beat Aquarian.

One that comes to mind is using a Solar Flare at the onset to temporarily blind Aquarian, then using a ki blast to create a deep hole in the field, then using a kiai(a powerful air based attack) to push Aquarian into the hole(#NoHomo). That might constitute a BFR win. /shrug

Though I'm also not sure how adept Goku was with kiai attacks back then..?

He used an air punch on Chi Chi and Piccolo.

Why would the kinetic energy of air be any different from the kinetic energy of a rock or shield being thrown at him?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I assumed that any wind strong enough to override his own flight powers would be too high for the null field. Obviously, I am assuming because that specific attack hasn't been used to the best of my knowledge. As for the flare:

https://i.postimg.cc/0N4F1x1V/Marvel-Two-in-One069-11.jpg

Here, a telepathic fog/cloud that was as AoE as one can make it (i.e.not specifically directed at him) was nullified.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would the kinetic energy of air be any different from the kinetic energy of a rock or shield being thrown at him?

Guess it also depends what type of "low energy" attacks the field has failed against, though. srug

Originally posted by cdtm
Probably.

But he still needs to breath. Meaning air can be removed from his environment.

Like this:

YouTube video

Originally posted by Galan007
Goku also needs to breathe, though.

Goku will be creating the vaccume from a safe distance.

So when in the Pegasus Project facility, Aquarian expanded his null field over the entire building. For reference, this is its size:
https://i.postimg.cc/vmCbS2FJ/M2-N1-053-033.jpg

Note that it's completely underground, and needs machinery to pump air etc.

As he did so, he was shutting off everything. Even guns stopped working:
https://i.postimg.cc/CK9Fdh7B/M2-N1-V1-058-013.jpg

Including life support:
https://i.postimg.cc/MGL79Fb2/M2-N1-V1-058-016.jpg

Note how people were unable to breathe, choking and collapsing - even metahumans like Ben Grimm were starting to struggle. But Aquarian was fine. So on balance, I'm pretty confident he doesn't need to breathe, or at least doesn't need oxygen. He DOES seem to have a circulatory system, however, as he was strangled before. Comics, eh?

As for your questions, yeah, the solar flare - or at least, the portion that would hit his field - would dissipate. Imagine a force field around him, like in my scan with the TP fog....any energy that is above a certain level, just ceases to exist.

With regards to the propelled air, my reading of it is that if the propelled air is above a certain level in kinetic energy, that energy would be nullified - just like the concrete beam. It just.....floats away.

What else has it failed against? Marvel Zombie Deadpool bit him (and he subsequently healed himself, something that no one else has ever done to my knowledge), he has been strangled, and Cap has aikidoed him before. The strangling and the aikido, was when he was a pacifist hippie, so I'd almost discount them - judo throwing WWH is easy if he's just standing there, not fighting you, after all.

So I.....guess Goku could use his speed, bullrush Aquarian and stop JUST before the null field, and then slow down to bite him at (relatively) human speeds? Bearing in mind he doesn't have the bonus of a virulent zombie plague, nor an amazing HF (Aquarian blasted right through him with his energy blasts after the bite).

Edit: btw, that tactic espoused by cdtm would fail. Why? Because in his immediate vicinity, there would be no vacuum. Air would be normal.

As he expands the field, more and more air would be available. Assuming he needs to breathe, that is.

So as long as your Cap level you can just hop past his shields and mma him? Well then Goku just lowers his ki and does that. Problem solved. 😄

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So when in the Pegasus Project facility, Aquarian expanded his null field over the entire building. For reference, this is its size:
https://i.postimg.cc/vmCbS2FJ/M2-N1-053-033.jpg

Note that it's completely underground, and needs machinery to pump air etc.

As he did so, he was shutting off everything. Even guns stopped working:
https://i.postimg.cc/CK9Fdh7B/M2-N1-V1-058-013.jpg

Including life support:
https://i.postimg.cc/MGL79Fb2/M2-N1-V1-058-016.jpg

Note how people were unable to breathe, choking and collapsing - even metahumans like Ben Grimm were starting to struggle. But Aquarian was fine. So on balance, I'm pretty confident he doesn't need to breathe, or at least doesn't need oxygen. He DOES seem to have a circulatory system, however, as he was strangled before. Comics, eh?

As for your questions, yeah, the solar flare - or at least, the portion that would hit his field - would dissipate. Imagine a force field around him, like in my scan with the TP fog....any energy that is above a certain level, just ceases to exist.

With regards to the propelled air, my reading of it is that if the propelled air is above a certain level in kinetic energy, that energy would be nullified - just like the concrete beam. It just.....floats away.

What else has it failed against? Marvel Zombie Deadpool bit him (and he subsequently healed himself, something that no one else has ever done to my knowledge), he has been strangled, and Cap has aikidoed him before. The strangling and the aikido, was when he was a pacifist hippie, so I'd almost discount them - judo throwing WWH is easy if he's just standing there, not fighting you, after all.

So I.....guess Goku could use his speed, bullrush Aquarian and stop JUST before the null field, and then slow down to bite him at (relatively) human speeds? Bearing in mind he doesn't have the bonus of a virulent zombie plague, nor an amazing HF (Aquarian blasted right through him with his energy blasts after the bite).

Edit: btw, that tactic espoused by cdtm would fail. Why? Because in his immediate vicinity, there would be no vacuum. Air would be normal.

As he expands the field, more and more air would be available. Assuming he needs to breathe, that is.

...But the thought of Goku "blitz-biting" Aquarian makes me lol. 👆

Originally posted by Mendax
So as long as your Cap level you can just hop past his shields and mma him? Well then Goku just lowers his ki and does that. Problem solved. 😄