This is how I know Carver doesn't read any of my posts. Such a time waster.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, assuming he's just standing there being a pacifist.Which the challenge specifically says he isn't. That's why he's pretty deadly in a forum battle like this - most of the time, he's a hippy pacifist who doesn't fight back and prefers to talk things out (he's meant to be a parody of Superman).
Here, he's trying to take Goku out. And he's still like a class 1 level guy who can fly and has energy blasts.
And it assumes he doesn't just shut Goku down. You don't just become human level - if he wants, he can nullify your energy levels even lower than human level.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Quasar (bonus for Carv, he negates gravity, the Quantum Man AND Quasar's Quantum Bands at the same time as he expands his field):Note what a pacifist he is, lmao. Even when the other guy throws the first punch, he's still chatting away and calling him friend, what a hippy.
The reason why he isn't an absolute monster in a forum fight, is because his character isn't to fight, not really, as shown.
But Carver's challenge is worded perfectly for him.
Carver: Gaiz GAIZ!!! DID YOU KNOW AQUARIAN IS A PACIFIST! I JUST FOUND THIS OUT!!! DS WAS HIDING THIS FROM US!!!!
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol. He won't like that, no siree.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
😂As always, eh, carv?
To be fair to Carv, most people hunt down feats from respect threads.
In other words, they use cheat sheets.
Me, I always go off memory, and on things I've usually stumbled across from reading for pleasure, and on topics I'm personally invested in.
I mean, I know people who play strictly to win, use whatever they could research, use other peoples "calcs", and even argue easy stuff they could care less about, but where's the fun in that? This isn't a dissertation for a Masters, it's supposed to be a fun thing.
Unfortunately I also have a really short attention span, and runs are sooo long. And often not as good as the nerdy fans say (Much like the Mass Effect Trilogy was ok, but not THAT good. Lot of boring long winded speech, repetitive and somewhat clunky gameplay, but I digress..)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Seems like you need a refresher on your own challenge, Carv. You never specified CIS off....you specified that both sides were trying to take each other out. Very different things lmao.I see that cdtm is ignoring my counter arguments 😂 just a time waster. And here I was (in good faith!!) taking him off ignore.
Give it time, I just saw them.
The one I responded to was further down, but low hanging fruit. 👆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well. The forum is dead as is, so may as well respond (as its such low-hanging fruit, lol).Cdtm, please actually read my scans and posts. The reason why you were on ignore, is because you were just wasting time and throwing as much mud as you could, hoping it sticks. A lot of what you brought up has already been addressed, or at least, wouldn't need to be brought up as it has been pre-empted.
But let us go through your 'points'.
OK. A bit of a meaningless post, as no-one disputed otherwise. Death Battle and what they assume, however, is equally meaningless. Grow a spine and brain, make your own judgements.[/b]
Again, what Speedball can or cannot do with Junzo isn't applicable to what Aquarian can or cannot do with Goku. Aquarian, moreover, does not just negate kinetic energy - he negates ALL energy. Something that Speedball doesn't.[/b]
Let's tackle these 'point' in reverse order. Firstly, I posted scans where it WASN'T Aquarian making the statements - one of the statements was from the letters section of a comic, and one statement was from the narration within the comic. Yes, one statement was then from Aquarian himself - but that all adds on top of each other. We have character statements saying ALL energy, narration statements saying ALL energy, and essentially writer interviews saying ALL energy.Really, it cannot be clearer than that.
Secondly, Aquarian does not need to 'know' the energy to negate it. As my scan showed, he negates energy even when in a coma, lol. He doesn't control what it negates, it just...does.
Thirdly, and perhaps most damaging to your 'point', is that I already clearly showed that whilst magic IS exotic, it is just energy. Moreover:
Vulcan, an energy manipulator, also said this, as my earlier scan showed. Now I also show Hank Pym saying the same thing. Trying to equate it to Dr M is disingenuous on your part.
Such a trolly post. If you made any counter arguments (or indeed, any arguments) worth responding to, I would have.
But as to your scan, and point about magic dust....
And?
I never once said the effects of different energies were the same. I fully, 10,000% agree, that magic has different effects. You are getting incredibly confused with this nonpoint.
Sound energy has different effects to heat energy, to kinetic energy etc. If I am cold, I turn my heater on - I don't punch myself in the face. If I want to listen to my fav music and watch my fav shows, I don't jam my fingers into a plug socket....
Electrical energy has different effects to sound, to heat, to light etc. Magic has different effects. Fully agree, never argued this point you're trying to refute, lol. Magical dust indeed has different effects to normal dust.
My ACTUAL point, is this:
Go back to my post about purple light, lol. It is certainly different from red light, or yellow light. They have different effects. Can Spectrum control it, if we only have scans of her controlling yellow light? We all agree purple light is different to yellow, but no-one argued they were the same. HOWEVER, we all agree it's 'light'.
Magic ENERGY is indeed different to heat ENERGY. But it is ENERGY. Vulcan could manipulate it. Pym explicitly destroys your point. Vision, as far from magic as one could get, can detect it:
So...yeah. Magic energy is energy. Aquarian negates all energy, as said by narration, character statements and interviews.
To refute it, actually bring something to the table. Help Carv out. Using Speedball's failure isn't it, as Speedball isn't Aquarian (I do like how hypocritical you are, though, in saying Aquarian isn't Dr M - then turn around and try to equate Aquarian to Speedball, lol).
Back to the challenge at hand, Goku uses the Power Pole, and the energy from it is negated. Whether it be kinetic, or magic. Goku himself, as he is holding it, would also then have his own energy negated (assuming he doesn't get trapped in the expanding field in the first place).
He is thus unable to harm Aquarian. [/B]
Ok, I'll say this much for now and come back to it later:
Doctor Manhattan proved he can treat magic the same as any other energy source. Because he did.
So far, it appears Aquarian has not.
That is all I meant by my statement. A statement I made because I'm well aware Galan is a Doctor Manhattan fan, and believe Doctor Manhattan treating magic and energy as one and the same may influence his opinion on the matter.
I specifically said that Goku and whomever will be trying to take each other out. Which means that they are going for either the kill right away or a knock out. That does not mean that a person start fighting like a versatile monster. Going for the drop versus turning someone into a versatile monster is 2 different things. If I say Martian Manhunter is trying to take someone out immediately that doesn't mean thar he will just stand in one spot, use intagibility, go into the ground or up in the sky at mind rape, blast, etc, etc... it means that he is trying to end the fight as quickly as possible. There's a difference between dropping someone immediately vs using your powers in ways that's rarely if ever displayed.
Originally posted by carver9
I specifically said that Goku and whomever will be trying to take each other out. Which means that they are going for either the kill right away or a knock out. That does not mean that a person start fighting like a versatile monster. Going for the drop versus turning someone into a versatile monster is 2 different things. If I say Martian Manhunter is trying to take someone out immediately that doesn't mean thar he will just stand in one spot, use intagibility, go into the ground or up in the sky at mind rape, blast, etc, etc... it means that he is trying to end the fight as quickly as possible. There's a difference between dropping someone immediately vs using your powers in ways that's rarely if ever displayed.
So is Aquarian trying to fight and take Goku out or is he being a pacifist, Carv?
And I'm not sure how negating Goku's energy is him being a versatile monster, lmao. Whilst you're the one adding new tactics almost every day lol.
Off topic. I know how to get cdtm back on the dark side. Cdtm, which attack is more powerful...
This attack...
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https://ibb.co/6Hbd3pW
Or this attack...
https://ibb.co/Jc0d8qL
https://ibb.co/5FgwcPH
https://ibb.co/SnM7vvY
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Remember the context of both, please. Just to add clarity to the scene. Scene one is Gohan splitting a Cell Junior in half with a single hit.
Scene 2 is Frieza at nearly no power surviving the destruction of a planet.
You can't beat perpetual fusion!!
Originally posted by GTTGT
Yeah in Loki the show, the cosmic cubes didn't work on the Time Variance Authority HQ
Originally posted by GTTGT
So like I said IT and Dimension Rift (circa SSJ3 Gotenks) & time skip & time lag & pole extension & angel Whis staff & Gudo all circumvent the Null Field
Originally posted by Mightywhiteytte
Goku ITs past or 'within' 5 ft range of null field and uses hakai.
Guess Aquarian is the weakest who could beat this Goku, when both sides are out to win.
Which is hilarious as he's so terrible at fighting when he's not trying. Cdtm, you accused me of ignoring your points, then conveniently disappear when I actually try to engage you in a debate.
Let me guess, you 'lost interest' or somesuch. Strange, that.
I wonder if Winter could also do the same (post resurrection).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Guess Aquarian is the weakest who could beat this Goku, when both sides are out to win.Which is hilarious as he's so terrible at fighting when he's not trying. Cdtm, you accused me of ignoring your points, then conveniently disappear when I actually try to engage you in a debate.
Let me guess, you 'lost interest' or somesuch. Strange, that.
I wonder if Winter could also do the same (post resurrection).
Thought it over.
You can take the win.
Never had a problem being in an uphill debate against, say, K-M arguing against Iron Fist. But K-M also never went out of his way to insult people.
So not worth it. You win.