!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Why did Piccolo in DragonBall Daima say he can't speak namekian when in regular DragonBall, him and Kami had an entire conversation at super speed using Namekian language. It seems that someone isn't aware of this.

Originally posted by Galan007
I just hope that Duu fuses with Kuu, becoming "DuuKuu"... Then starts plotting to overthrow the Jedi. 👆

Hopefully Piccolo was just pretending that he couldn't speak Namekian because he doesn't trust Neva and wants to keep him close by. Otherwise it makes no sense.

Aside from the fact that Piccolo has spoken Namekian in the past, he's also fused with TWO other beings who also knew the language.

but even if piccolo legitimately did forget, it's not really a big deal?

the guy hasnt actually spoken namekian in like 20 years, and it wasn't his first language to begin with. if i suddenly became proficient in mandarin chinese but never spoke a word of it for a few decades, i definitely wouldnt be able to hop right into a chinese speaking conversation. second languages aren't like riding a bike.

or it could also be a cheeky nod to the DB super heroes movie, where piccolo also "forgot" that he could turn into his giant form even though he's done that in the past.

Originally posted by carver9
No!!! Tori passed away recently and passed the torch to someone else. 😤

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but even if piccolo legitimately did forget, it's not really a big deal?

the guy hasnt actually spoken namekian in like 20 years, and it wasn't his first language to begin with. if i suddenly became proficient in mandarin chinese but never spoke a word of it for a few decades, i definitely wouldnt be able to hop right into a chinese speaking conversation. second languages aren't like riding a bike.

or it could also be a cheeky nod to the DB super heroes movie, where piccolo also "forgot" that he could turn into his giant form even though he's done that in the past.

After all, Piccolo had no problem reflexively switching into the Namekian language and having an extended convo with Kami during the 23rd WMAT:
https://ibb.co/vkTc1Cb
https://ibb.co/SsYDZKP
https://ibb.co/M1chCV0
https://ibb.co/9yCSwD7

Granted there's like an 18 year gap between then and Daima, but Piccolo has also fused with TWO additional beings(Nail and Kami) since then, and they were both fluent in Namekian as well... And while I do understand your point, Piccolo now has an abundance of cumulative history/wisdom to pull from, so it would be really odd if he just forgot how to speak his native language all together. I mean, even Popo was able to pick up a bit of secondhand Namekian from his years around Kami, ffs:
https://ibb.co/gz50ByL
...Yet Piccolo, who spoke fluent Namekian before and is literally fused with Kami now, just... Forgot all of it? C'mon.

I suppose it *could* be a nod to the events of Super Hero(I wouldn't put that kind of 'humor' past Toriyama), but even in that instance Piccolo still did increase his size -- he just needed a reminder from my boy Krillin:
https://ibb.co/BT8Pphh
https://ibb.co/Jc4CH8v
So if you're assuming that he legit cannot remember how to speak Namekian at all(even after being prompted), then it's not really the same kind of deal.

That's why I'm hoping Piccolo actually does remember how to speak Namekian, but is just playing dumb in front of Neva(who is definitely plotting something, imo.) We'll have to wait and see. /shrug

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i believe toriyama still wrote daima before his death.

"I came up with the story and settings, as well as a lot of the designs. I'm actually putting a lot more into this than usual!" - Toriyama

"I ended up getting deeply involved with the project without realizing it. I was not only involved in the overall storyline, but also in the worldview, character design, mechas, and other aspects." - Toriyama

"Toriyama made the whole story and was involved with character design like never before. He also has a hand in designing the machinery." - Akio Iyoku (Executive Producer)

Originally posted by carver9
No!!! Tori passed away recently and passed the torch to someone else. 😤

Yes but he finished Daima before he died. They don't just make the episodes up as they go along, they've been working on it for like five years lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, even Popo was able to pick up a bit of secondhand Namekian from his years around Kami, ffs:
https://ibb.co/gz50ByL
...Yet Piccolo, who spoke fluent Namekian before and is literally fused with Kami now, just... Forgot all of it? C'mon.

Bulma and Popo in full color?

This is better than interracial porn.

More, Galan. Give us more!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bulma and Popo in full color?

This is better than interracial porn.

More, Galan. Give us more!

the best kind of interracial porn

I'm liking the cosmic world building that DAIMA has done so far, with the multiverse origin and even how the Kais were founded. But I've always been curious why the Kais have a life link to their universe's God of destruction? Also was it ever explained why universe 7 had four Kais back when Buu was originally released while every other universe only has 1? And why didn't Beerus die when they did?

Originally posted by LordGod
But I've always been curious why the Kais have a life link to their universe's God of destruction?

Originally posted by LordGod
Also was it ever explained why universe 7 had four Kais back when Buu was originally released while every other universe only has 1? And why didn't Beerus die when they did?

Out of universe- It was likely because Toriyama's original vision for DB was that it all took place in a single universe. So the North/South/East/West Kaioshin each watched over a quadrant of the universe, and Dai Kaioshin presided over them all. It's definitely a more efficient system, but the multiverse retcon/reveal in DBS changed up cosmology in a very big way.

In universe- We don't really know why U7 had so many Kaioshin back then, when there is no indication that any other universe ever had more than one... But since we do know that Kaioshin and Destroyers can take on potential candidates/successors to eventually assume their roles, my headcanon has always been that Dai Kaioshin was the one true Kaioshin of U7(so Beerus would have been linked exclusively to him), and the others were essentially just his apprentices. IOW, it was somewhat of an unusual situation where Dai Kaioshin had more than one person who he considered qualified to succeed him, so he tasked each of them with overseeing a portion of the universe in order to determine which would be his ideal successor. That would make the most sense to me, at least. /shrug

As for why Beerus didn't die as a result of Boo's first rampage: It's because he never killed Shin, so the mantle(and corresponding life-link to Beerus) must have just automatically shifted over to him after Boo killed/absorbed the others.

either that or the powers that be decided to insert more supreme kai's into u7 because its mortal count was so low and it needed the extra help? or maybe there was originally 5 supreme kais in every single universe, but buu's killing spree made zeno realize that the system could still function with only 1 in each universe. 12 kais would be a lot easier to manage and reprimand than 60.

old kai is a bit of an anomaly though. he's a loooot older then shin, so we can probably assume that he is the kai who used to be linked to beerus. but since he never actually died, they should still be linked right?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
either that or the powers that be decided to insert more supreme kai's into u7 because its mortal count was so low and it needed the extra help? or maybe there was originally 5 supreme kais in every single universe, but buu's killing spree made zeno realize that the system could still function with only 1 in each universe. 12 kais would be a lot easier to manage and reprimand than 60.

Like I mentioned: When Toriyama originally introduced multiple Kaioshin during the Boo saga, concepts like 'multiverse', or 'Gods of Destruction', or 'life-links' weren't even in his vocabulary -- that all came decades later. So unfortunately, most of this in-depth cosmological stuff just had to be sloppily stitched together(or swept under the rug entirely) after the fact.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
old kai is a bit of an anomaly though. he's a loooot older then shin, so we can probably assume that he is the kai who used to be linked to beerus. but since he never actually died, they should still be linked right?

And no, Elder Kaioshin and Beerus no longer share a direct life-link. That is the function of U7's 'true' Kaioshin, and EK no longer acts in that capacity. Hence why Beerus is so protective of Shin specifically:
https://ibb.co/RhDS1nK
https://ibb.co/QPxFvwh

The bigger question is: If Shin were killed, why wouldn't his role/responsibility simply pass back to Elder Kaioshin(or at the very least Kibito)..? It's a very strange plothole, but here we are. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
The bigger question is: If Shin were killed, why wouldn't his role/responsibility simply pass back to Elder Kaioshin(or at the very least Kibito)..? It's a very strange plothole, but here we are. /shrug

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
maybe the job actually would transfer back to old kai and beerus just doesn't know that, so he's playing it safe.

https://ibb.co/pj8szVF
https://ibb.co/YZv7qPh

As I said, it's just a plothole. No way around it.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
that would explain why shin seems so carefree about dying. he knows that beerus would still survive.

For someone who sits near the tip-top of the multiversal hierarchy in terms of status/rank, Shin has always been laughably unaware of rather basic facts such as: the function of the Potara earrings that he's literally been wearing for millions of years, who most of the powerful beings/threats are within his own universe, the fact that Beerus even exists, the function of Gods of Destruction, the existence of his own life-link to Beerus, etc. etc. etc.

So I'm hard-pressed to see Shin inextricably knowing something about the life-link that not even Beerus or Whis are aware of.

Why isn't Destructo Disc used more often in the manga? If they all had to stand there and tank it, ignoring Cell and Buu, who would survive? They just have to take it from Krillin.

Those are the only people that have tanked it. The destructo disk is one of the slowest attacks in DB, so I'm guessing thats why it's not used often. People usually have to use a combo of solar flare (blind them) and then the disk so that it'll hit. Frieza and Cell was able to use it as a way of tracking people, but even that started to fail against speedsters...fast forward to 19 min and 30 seconds...

https://youtu.be/rqxAn0vBeJ4?si=weu2n1FGA_3M4B8S

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why isn't Destructo Disc used more often in the manga? If they all had to stand there and tank it, ignoring Cell and Buu, who would survive? They just have to take it from Krillin.

In the manga, a Disc from Krillin was able to slice through an energy attack from Cell Max:
https://ibb.co/v3gYS4B
https://ibb.co/61srJBk

Also in the manga, he used another Disc to physically damage Cell Max to an [albeit small] extent:
https://ibb.co/cxL8qD1

And in the movie, Krillin's Disc was able to stop Cell Max's bullrush all together:
https://imgur.com/7x7p8n2

Which speaks volumes about the Disc's potential. After all, Cell Max was around Broly-level, and Krillin is just Krillin. It's actually hysterical that the Disc could do anything at all, given the astronomical gap in power that exists between them.

...But that's also why I think the Destructo Disc isn't used very often(especially by some of the more powerful characters) -- it's just one of those attacks that is WAY more OP than it has any right to be, and would absolutely be a game-changer in most battles. I mean, if f*cking Krillin was able to affect Cell Max with a Disc, then just imagine if someone like Orange Piccolo, or Beast Gohan had spammed Discs at him instead. He would have been diced to pieces, and with no regen to speak of, that would have been game over... Obviously the writers could never allow that to happen, though.

Imo, if the noteworthy Z Fighters opened every battle with a Solar Flare + Destructo Disc spam combo, they'd probably win most fights nigh-instantly(unless their opponent can rapidly regen, obvs)... Same with a Solar Flare + Kikoho combo, for that matter.

Originally posted by carver9
Those are the only people that have tanked it.

Yup, that's why I specified manga, and that they all had to stand there and tank it.

By "tank", do you mean sustain no damage whatsoever?

If so, it would logically have to be someone above Cell Max.

Does anyone have any idea why Trunks sword is so special? Has there been any reference to why he carries it or think it's relevant in a fight.

Originally posted by Galan007
By "tank", do you mean sustain no damage whatsoever?

If so, it would logically have to be someone above Cell Max.

Yeah, and none of this anime filler poop

Originally posted by carver9
Does anyone have any idea why Trunks sword is so special? Has there been any reference to why he carries it or think it's relevant in a fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, and none of this anime filler poop

Originally posted by Galan007
Perfect Cell never tanked Krillin's Disc in canon. The scene you're probably thinking of is just anime filler.