Considering it allows extremely low characters to damage / kill opponents way out of their league, it should be irrelevant. The Spirit Bomb isn't really known to be fast either. And while a think about it, it's not really slower than most other attacks, it doesn't even need to be charged up like most other powerful techniques.
I totally get that it's mainly simply because every character has his own arsenal of attacks. But with things like that you cannot but wonder why not everyone learns it. It doesn't really require an insane amount of KI, it isn't damaging your body like the kaioken, doesn't need long to charge up and considering Krillin learned it during the Saiyan Saga it shouldn't be difficult nor to time consuming to learn.
Originally posted by AstnerHeh. My boy sure has improved over the years...
Yeah. In the manga Krillin just hit Cell a few times before Cell knocked him out.
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Originally posted by ParmaniacThe Discs can be rapidly spammed as well:
I totally get that it's mainly simply because every character has his own arsenal of attacks. But with things like that you cannot but wonder why not everyone learns it. It doesn't really require an insane amount of KI, it isn't damaging your body like the kaioken, doesn't need long to charge up and considering Krillin learned it during the Saiyan Saga it shouldn't be difficult nor to time consuming to learn.
And the technique itself is evidently quite easy to learn. Vegeta used something similar during the Saiyan saga(after seeing Krillin do it), Freeza did the same thing on Namek(after seeing Krillin do it), and Goku has also used the Discs a few different times... So it's definitely out there.
But like I mentioned earlier: the Destructo Disc is an ability that just can't be used very often, because it's WAY too OP/haxx for its own good. In a battleboard setting? Sure, you can have the characters actually fight 'smart', and spam as many Discs as you want at the onset. In an actual story, though? The writers would never allow that, as it's simply too much of a potential game-changer. I mean, if the DD were consistently used in-universe(especially by characters who are vastly more powerful than Krillin), most battles would be over in seconds, and this would be the general outcome:
...Which doesn't always make for the best storytelling, efficient as it is. /shrug
damn i never thought we'd ever see a canon
Spoiler:but it just happened in daima. not sure if i'm a fan though because with his hair spiked up like that, he looks more like gohan beast. definitely preferred gt goku's design.
ssj3 vegeta
but that also creates another question- if vegeta was capable of using
Spoiler:in daima, then why didn't he use it against beerus in BOG? not that it would have mattered at all, but it's just weird.
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SS3 Vegeta's design is only 'good' in the sense that it differentiates his look from SS3 Goku's, I guess... But since every single one of their other transformations(from SS1 to SSB) look identical, I'm not sure why they randomly chose to switch up SS3 specifically. /shrug
And yeah, it could potentially cause a small plothole at the beginning of DBS(when Vegeta rages-out against Beerus), because if he had access to SS3 at that point, he logically would have used it. That being said, even though SS3 gleans a massive amp initially, its immense ki-drain makes the form borderline worthless in any kind of extended battle -- even as of the ToP it was still taxing Goku's stamina after just a few seconds of use, ffs.
So perhaps Daima Vegeta will now fully understand this inherent 'flaw' in SS3, and opt to focus his training/efforts on boosting his SS2 form instead(essentially throwing out SS3 all together)..? After all, we know it's possible for SS2 to match or exceed SS3 in some cases: rage-boost SS2 Vegeta and FPSS2 Future Trunks were each =/> SS3 Goku, for example. Difference is that SS2 is a FAR more ki-efficient form in general, and thus FAR more practical to use in battle. So it *could* be reconciled that way.
...OR they simply won't bother to explain why Vegeta never used SS3 during DBS, and we're just left with another minor plothole.
srug
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
damn i never thought we'd ever see a canonSpoiler:but it just happened in daima. not sure if i'm a fan though because with his hair spiked up like that, he looks more like gohan beast. definitely preferred gt goku's design.
ssj3 vegetabut that also creates another question- if vegeta was capable of using
Spoiler:in daima, then why didn't he use it against beerus in BOG? not that it would have mattered at all, but it's just weird.
ssj3
Originally posted by Galan007SSJ3 has always been my favorite design so I'm happy Vegeta finally unlocked it, but I never understood why it drains them so much faster than the other forms? GOD KI shouldn't be easier to master then SSJ3. 🙄
SS3 Vegeta's design is only 'good' in the sense that it differentiates his look from SS3 Goku's, I guess... But since every single one of their other transformations(from SS1 to SSB) look identical, I'm not sure why they randomly chose to switch up SS3 specifically. /shrugAnd yeah, it could potentially cause a small plothole at the beginning of DBS(when Vegeta rages-out against Beerus), because if he had access to SS3 at that point, he logically would have used it. That being said, even though SS3 gleans a massive amp initially, its immense ki-drain makes the form borderline worthless in any kind of extended battle -- even as of the ToP it was still taxing Goku's stamina after just a few seconds of use, ffs.
So perhaps Daima Vegeta will now fully understand this inherent 'flaw' in SS3, and opt to focus his training/efforts on boosting his SS2 form instead(essentially throwing out SS3 all together)..? After all, we know it's possible for SS2 to match or exceed SS3 in some cases: rage-boost SS2 Vegeta and FPSS2 Future Trunks were each =/> SS3 Goku, for example. Difference is that SS2 is a FAR more ki-efficient form in general, and thus FAR more practical to use in battle. So it *could* be reconciled that way.
...OR they simply won't bother to explain why Vegeta never used SS3 during DBS, and we're just left with another minor plothole.
srug
^ SS3 being so difficult to master only made sense to me before DBS was a thing. Because pre-DBS, you could rationalize it by saying that it was a brand new/otherwordly form, which Goku simply never had the opportunity to perfect.
However, DBS(particularly the manga) went out of its way to emphasize Goku's gradual control/mastery over his God ki -- initially there was excessive energy waste when he accessed those forms, but he eventually perfected them to a point where there is hardly any waste at all. You'd *think* that would translate into greater mastery of his lower forms as well... But in SS3's case, it evidently doesn't matter in the slightest because it still depletes his ki/stamina VERY rapidly(Goku has mentioned this drawback almost every time he's used SS3 in DBS.) Granted, 'God' ki is different than 'normal' ki, but it certainly shouldn't be more difficult to control.
Seems like SS3 is just perpetually treated like the KaioKen was back in the Saiyan saga(ie. briefly provides a huge amp, but takes a massive toll on the user's reserves.) Difference is that Goku can stack KK multipliers on top of even his God forms these days without much of an issue(so God ki + normal ki), yet SS3...an astronomically weaker form...STILL taxes him in a matter of seconds. It will never make sense, but here we are. /shrug
tl;dr
SS3 isn't a completely useless form, but it's definitely in the conversation(right up there with 'Grade-3' SS1.) So unless you can beat your opponent fast(like Vegeta did in this episode), it has a LOT more 'cons' than 'pros'.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
👆Why are Vegeta and Goku young again anyway?
Originally posted by Galan007
Toriyama: "I've got it, guys! Lets make Goku a kid in this!!"
Toei: "We already did that in GT, bud."
Toriyama: "Nvm. Lets make EVERYONE a kid in this, that way it's super fresh and original!!"
Toei: "Brilliant Toriyama-san!!"Honestly just looks like Teen Titans Go... Except Dragon Ball.
it also seems like they've backed themselves into a corner with daima powerlevels. vegeta is already using his max power in ssj3, so i am guessing he and goku are about equal. but duu and kuu keep becoming stronger, so i'd bet they'll become more powerful than vegeta and goku. then there's also gomah and the third eye amp to consider (it's marketed as some kind of ultimate power). then there's neva and the others who are also scheming behind the scenes to think about.
and since god power isn't a thing yet, there is really no way for goku or vegeta to "break their limits" like they normally do in db. i'm thinking a wish from the dragon will probably have to be the reason why they win.
