I’m going to watch these but it’s going to take time and until then, I won’t be able to pose any strong argument. In the meantime, I googled best dbz punches. The furthest an opponent is punched is a few hundred feet or the punch makes a hole in the opponent
Compare a punch that sends a person a few hundred feet to a punch that sends an opponent into space.
If a Few hundred feet punch can make hole in db opponent what would a punch that sends people to the moon do to those db character?
Also These physical punches are consistent with their lifting ability.
Originally posted by Diesldude
These punching feats aren’t impressive. The goku tractor scan he was punched 20 feet away?C’mon stilt there has to be better punching feats than this. BTW Thanks for time you took to provide the link to the episodes but they not work.
You're not aware of the context - so you can't really say, Dies 🙂
He wasn't punched away. He flew away.
See, since you weren't able to get that, it's no wonder you don't understand why Abhi and Phil are on DB side.
BTW Thanks for time you took to provide the link to the episodes but they not work.
They're working fine.
Try a different browser, device or turn off anything that might be blocking websites.
Or, you know, google another streaming site --- there are dozens of them and Dragon Ball is on every one dedicated to anime.
But the problem is on your end here.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWyeah I have norton utilities on my phone and it was preventing me from loading those links.
You're not aware of the context - so you can't really say, Dies 🙂He wasn't punched away. He flew away.
See, since you weren't able to get that, it's no wonder you don't understand why Abhi and Phil are on DB side.
They're working fine.
Try a different browser, device or turn off anything that might be blocking websites.
Or, you know, google another streaming site --- there are dozens of them and Dragon Ball is on every one dedicated to anime.
But the problem is on your end here.
Agreed about Goku flying to the tractor and then flying away but that does take away from the fact that the best physical strikes posted in this thread are something that Bane can replicate.
The thing about that punching machine is that they were all gently love-tapping it (well, all but Vegeta, who doesn't play games, lol) and already surpassing everyone attending the tournament, as it measured their striking power.
Even regular martial artists tend to be superhuman in Dragon Ball.
Tractor, obviously, was posted as the lulz content, as Superman got wtfpwnt with one.
now let's move on to magic
who can awaken the universe like zatanna did
who can know and see infinite multiverse like doctor fate did
battle two lords of chaos and order that was stated to be threats to the multiverse and imprison them at the same time
who in db can match feats of constantine, he has seal that can temporarily trap zauriel, the same zauriel that was able to kill the freaking phantom stranger, phantom stranger is a threat to all of creation according to freaking presence. he was able to trick zauriel to the house of mystery and summon a seal on him. (house of mystery is owned by constantine, one of the most haxxed artifact/weapon in existence.)
or killed nabu with trail of anubis
or time travel,
or resists temporal change acted upon himself
or resists affects of the time gremlins by pralaya- an omnipotent being. who was erasing all of creation
who in db can destroy the entire dimension easily like doctor strange did
or blocking a spell from dormammu that was used to seal eternity
or fought dormammu in dormammu's own dimension, the same dormammu who has feats reaching multiversal level
magic alone trumps DB, and I'm just naming earth based mages, not even the high tier cosmic ones
nobody cares abhi
constantine with prep solos db multiverse
db <<<< marvel and dc in
strength, speed, magic
the only advantage they sorta have is in energy projection and that's only comparing to earth based heroes
db isn't that powerful as far as animes is concerned either
enjoy your ride, but stop wanking them
Originally posted by MrMindDB is much more powerful than most anime or manga (at least with Super), but no it isn't even close to the most powerful. I can name several off the top of my head that are much more powerful like Magi, Tenchi Muyo, Digimon, or Madoka, sure. It doesn't really matter in the context of this thread at all though. It's irrelevant.
nobody cares abhiconstantine with prep solos db multiverse
db <<<< marvel and dc in
strength, speed, magic
the only advantage they sorta have is in energy projection and that's only comparing to earth based heroes
db isn't that powerful as far as animes is concerned either
enjoy your ride, but stop wanking them
As far as the thread goes: I don't subscribe to the idea that you should throw out "high showings" in pursuit of what is erroneously being referred to as an "average" (when what people are really talking about are median portrayals). What constitutes a high showing? Let's use Superman as an example. In Superman: Brainiac he takes a sun exploding to the face and "merely" gets knocked out. We know for a fact that he was enduring greater than planet busting energies here because the planet behind him was vaporized. Is this a high showing? Well, from what I hear (I haven't cracked open a comic in literally months) Superman just KOed Barbatos, which, assuming it is the Snyder Barbatos I know of, is a cosmic being who eats universes. Is this also a high showing? But it is countless orders of magnitude greater than the prior showing. Where does Superman snapping chains that haul suns to other galaxies come into play? What about lifting infinite weight?
The thing about these high feats is that they bring Superman's average, if you're actually using that term correctly, way up and no, even taken at face value Superman getting punked by a tractor does not counterbalance these feats because the difference between a tractor feat and a planet feat is ludicrously smaller than the difference between a planet feat and a universal feat.
Coupled with the fact that DB even now simply does not have any speed feats on par with a lot of Superman's and that DB characters have a ridiculous disparity between their power output and their physical strength (base Goku can't lift forty tons he is unironically weaker than phucking Luke Cage) and no, I don't think pre-Super DB characters can handle powerful top tiers from DC, or at least not Superman (Marvel top tiers are, as always, generally slow as phucking molasses). They're one trick ponies with an admittedly very powerful trick IMHO.
Super changed things though, and Goku has been operating at a level that is well beyond what even Superman on his best day would have a hard time matching IMO. DBS as a whole is still much weaker than Marvel or DC but that's mostly because the cosmology and the cosmics within are so much smaller in scale. Zeno is vastly inferior to even a throwaway "this character does not matter and will never appear again" cosmic like Pralaya from Justice League Dark.
Note that I do not give a single shit about the anime or movies (except Super) and have only used the manga for my admittedly lazy analysis. I have no interest in lending credence to a show that one moment has King Vegeta destroying several planets with one blast and in another has Goku's hand being crushed by an elephant (though then again there's that power output =/= physical strength disparity again heheh).
Originally posted by NemeBro
DB is much more powerful than most anime or manga (at least with Super), but no it isn't even close to the most powerful. I can name several off the top of my head that are much more powerful like Magi, Tenchi Muyo, Digimon, or Madoka, sure. It doesn't really matter in the context of this thread at all though. It's irrelevant.As far as the thread goes: I don't subscribe to the idea that you should throw out "high showings" in pursuit of what is erroneously being referred to as an "average" (when what people are really talking about are median portrayals). What constitutes a high showing? Let's use Superman as an example. In Superman: Brainiac he takes a sun exploding to the face and "merely" gets knocked out. We know for a fact that he was enduring greater than planet busting energies here because the planet behind him was vaporized. Is this a high showing? Well, from what I hear (I haven't cracked open a comic in literally months) Superman just KOed Barbatos, which, assuming it is the Snyder Barbatos I know of, is a cosmic being who eats universes. Is this also a high showing? But it is countless orders of magnitude greater than the prior showing. Where does Superman snapping chains that haul suns to other galaxies come into play? What about lifting infinite weight?
The thing about these high feats is that they bring Superman's average, if you're actually using that term correctly, way up and no, even taken at face value Superman getting punked by a tractor does not counterbalance these feats because the difference between a tractor feat and a planet feat is ludicrously smaller than the difference between a planet feat and a universal feat.
Coupled with the fact that DB even now simply does not have any speed feats on par with a lot of Superman's and that DB characters have a ridiculous disparity between their power output and their physical strength (base Goku can't lift forty tons he is unironically weaker than phucking Luke Cage) and no, I don't think pre-Super DB characters can handle powerful top tiers from DC, or at least not Superman (Marvel top tiers are, as always, generally slow as phucking molasses). They're one trick ponies with an admittedly very powerful trick IMHO.
Super changed things though, and Goku has been operating at a level that is well beyond what even Superman on his best day would have a hard time matching IMO. DBS as a whole is still much weaker than Marvel or DC but that's mostly because the cosmology and the cosmics within are so much smaller in scale. Zeno is vastly inferior to even a throwaway "this character does not matter and will never appear again" cosmic like Pralaya from Justice League Dark.
Note that I do not give a single shit about the anime or movies (except Super) and have only used the manga for my admittedly lazy analysis. I have no interest in lending credence to a show that one moment has King Vegeta destroying several planets with one blast and in another has Goku's hand being crushed by an elephant (though then again there's that power output =/= physical strength disparity again heheh).
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I think even the biggest superman fan would admit dbs goku is ahead of regular superman, and mui goku is low tier of skyfather level.
superman has higher highs while amped (cough snyder cough morrison), and much more lower lows in normal state compare to goku, I think every
single nerds from western world can agree at this point.
but this isn't the point of discussion, the point of discussion is can db characters compete with dc and marvel best, not just superman
the answer is absolutely not
goku is like what top 10 in db verse?
regular superman isn't top 100 in dc cosmology as far as power goes
there is a extreme love for dragonball in kmc,
mostly because up here it's bunch of old heads reminiscing their younger days.
db as far as power goes, is very linear, it mostly shows in energy projection, that's the only criteria they are ahead,
and that's only if we exclude the cosmic characters,
let's be honest no one in db is taking a entropy blast from zero hour hal
yet even if we compare to herald and trans of both sides,
db lacks speed and strength feats to compete with dc,
tp feats to compete with marvel,
esoteric and magic feats to compete with both marvel and dc
I've shown most of it in this page and last page
saiyans lacks versatility compared to surfer or lanterns
their durability are mostly trash, most of them can't survive the sun
what this thread is trying to do is elevate db into the level they are not supposed to be
by using moon/planet destroying as a measuring stick
they are playing this game of oh here's someone with pl of 300 destroying a moon
in comics you need someone for example like gladiator to do that
now imagine a super saiyan with pl of 30000000
and let's calculate how many moons/planets/solar systems they can destroy
I mean we have equation draw up where nappa equals thanos,
and that's only if bane can oneshot a moon like master roshi. that's how far the wank has gone
db wank fest comes from planet destruction in early arc and how characters progress geometrically later on so they go crazy on scaling
no one is denying cell can destroy solar system
it still doesn't put him above trans level
no one is denying gods of destruction is capable of destroying universe
it still deosn't put them above skyfathers level.
energy blast output is only 1 criteria out of 10 in a fight,
and even then they can be matched easily
think of how many cosmic beings in marvel and dc that can destroy the universe with a fart
Originally posted by MrMindIronically enough, I actually think that YOU are the only one(except maybe carver on a few occasions) who is coming up with such erroneous claims about DB characters.
best response in this threadI think even the biggest superman fan would admit dbs goku is ahead of regular superman, and mui goku is low tier of skyfather level.
superman has higher highs while amped (cough snyder cough morrison), and much more lower lows in normal state compare to goku, I think every
single nerds from western world can agree at this point.but this isn't the point of discussion, the point of discussion is can db characters compete with dc and marvel best, not just superman
the answer is absolutely not
goku is like what top 10 in db verse?
regular superman isn't top 100 in dc cosmology as far as power goes
there is a extreme love for dragonball in kmc,
mostly because up here it's bunch of old heads reminiscing their younger days.
db as far as power goes, is very linear, it mostly shows in energy projection, that's the only criteria they are ahead,
and that's only if we exclude the cosmic characters,
let's be honest no one in db is taking a entropy blast from zero hour hal
yet even if we compare to herald and trans of both sides,
db lacks speed and strength feats to compete with dc,
tp feats to compete with marvel,
esoteric and magic feats to compete with both marvel and dc
I've shown most of it in this page and last page
saiyans lacks versatility compared to surfer or lanterns
their durability are mostly trash, most of them can't survive the sun
what this thread is trying to do is elevate db into the level they are not supposed to be
by using moon/planet destroying as a measuring stick
they are playing this game of oh here's someone with pl of 300 destroying a moon
in comics you need someone for example like gladiator to do that
now imagine a super saiyan with pl of 30000000
and let's calculate how many moons/planets/solar systems they can destroy
I mean we have equation draw up where nappa equals thanos,
and that's only if bane can oneshot a moon like master roshi. that's how far the wank has gone
db wank fest comes from planet destruction in early arc and how characters progress geometrically later on so they go crazy on scaling
no one is denying cell can destroy solar system
it still doesn't put him above trans level
no one is denying gods of destruction is capable of destroying universe
it still deosn't put them above skyfathers level.
energy blast output is only 1 criteria out of 10 in a fight,
and even then they can be matched easily
think of how many cosmic beings in marvel and dc that can destroy the universe with a fart
No one said that DB lifting strength can compete with high-end lifting strength from comics. No one said that DB speed can compete with high-end speedsters from comics(until at least DBS). No one said that DB physical durability can compete with physical durability from comics(unless we're talking about durability to energy projection.) etc.
These basic questions were originally posed several pages ago:
1.) who is the weakest comic book character who could replicate Piccolo's moon-busting blast?
2.) who is the weakest comic book character who could no-sell Piccolo's moon-busting attack like Raditz did?
But instead of trying to answer such simple questions, some of you people completely dodge them(for whatever reason) and retort with shit like: "Oh yeah!? Well who in DB can lift infinity like Superman did??!! LMAO DB is weaksauce!!!"
...And then rant about how "childish" the DB fans are. It's a weird double-standard that you're peddling right now.
Instead of ranting, maybe you could try contributing something logical and constructive to the discussion?
Originally posted by Galan007To be fair Galan I think the simple questions are derived from complex motives on where the topic is being steered. They created a base now which all discussions are being used for.
Ironically enough, I actually think that YOU are the only one(except maybe carver on a few occasions) who is coming up with such erroneous claims about DB characters.No one said that DB physical strength can compete with high-end physical strength from comics. No one said that DB speed can compete with high-end speedsters from comics(until at least DBS). No one said that DB physical durability can compete with physical durability from comics(unless we're talking about durability to energy projection.) etc.
These basic questions were originally posed several pages ago:
1.) who is the weakest comic book character who could replicate Piccolo's moon-busting blast?
2.) who is the weakest comic book character who could no-sell Piccolo's moon-busting attack like Raditz did?But instead of trying to answer such simple questions, some of you people completely dodge them(for whatever reason) and retort with shit like: "Oh yeah!? Well who in DB can lift infinity like Superman did??!! LMAO DB is weaksauce!!!"
...And then rant about how "childish" the DB fans are. It's a weird double-standard that you're peddling right now.
Instead of ranting, maybe you could try contributing something logical and constructive to the discussion?
Of course I inherently think the DB universe is really flawed with their power levels and jumping up in power all the time.
A few people talked about the tournament of power and how it kind of showed how BS most of the ideas of power scaling are and still fall into the same types of traps you see in comic books.
Also of course that doesn't make for an exciting debate either. So that's why I've been relatively silent in here 😛