!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by Newjak
To be fair Galan I think the simple questions are derived from complex motives on where the topic is being steered. They created a base now which all discussions are being used for.

Of course I inherently think the DB universe is really flawed with their power levels and jumping up in power all the time.

A few people talked about the tournament of power and how it kind of showed how BS most of the ideas of power scaling are and still fall into the same types of traps you see in comic books.

Also of course that doesn't make for an exciting debate either. So that's why I've been relatively silent in here 😛

As I've mentioned several times now: even though the characters in the Cell saga were literally hundreds of millions of times more powerful than the characters in the Saiyan saga, we still know that their energy projection caps at solar system level by that era... So there is still a defined energy projection ceiling in place that no amount of scaling/wank can get around. That should make the anti-DB'ers happy, tbh.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, they're simple question that don't have any "sinister" motives afaik. I think most people are likely hesitant to answer because of the glaring implications of characters from early in the Saiyan saga already being THAT powerful... But I digress.

As I've mentioned several times now: even though the characters in the Cell saga were literally hundreds of millions of times more powerful than the characters in the Saiyan saga, we still know that their energy projection caps at solar system level by that era... So there is still a defined energy projection ceiling in place that no amount of scaling/wank can get around. That should make the anti-DB'ers happy, tbh.

So we've limited the discussion to talking about destroying moons and planets and moving power levels through Sagas. I think most people are likely hesitant to answer the question because power in DB is weird. Not that it isn't weird in comics either but we often average things out on here for debates but we don't do that for the DB universe because of how it's set up.

The tournament of power just kind of brought it all to a head. Android 17 being a prime example. There is absolutely no way he should have been able to contend with anyone that could give Goku or Vegeta any difficulty by that point in time. Also where were those shields when cell was trying to eat him 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
Ironically enough, I actually think that YOU are the only one(except maybe carver on a few occasions) who is coming up with such erroneous claims about DB characters.

No one said that DB lifting strength can compete with high-end lifting strength from comics. No one said that DB speed can compete with high-end speedsters from comics(until at least DBS). No one said that DB physical durability can compete with physical durability from comics(unless we're talking about durability to energy projection.) etc.

These basic questions were originally posed several pages ago:
1.) who is the weakest comic book character who could replicate Piccolo's moon-busting blast?
2.) who is the weakest comic book character who could no-sell Piccolo's moon-busting attack like Raditz did?

But instead of trying to answer such simple questions, some of you people completely dodge them(for whatever reason) and retort with shit like: "Oh yeah!? Well who in DB can lift infinity like Superman did??!! LMAO DB is weaksauce!!!"

...And then rant about how "childish" the DB fans are. It's a weird double-standard that you're peddling right now.

Instead of ranting, maybe you could try contributing something logical and constructive to the discussion?

the guy has skyfathers at universe destroying levels but then acts like the db side are the ones overdoing it lol.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
[b]THE DEFINITIVE SCALING THREAD!!!

What level of Superman does it take to equal the following?

SSJ.

SSJ2

SSJ3

SSJ4

SS God

SS God Blue

Ultra Instinct
[/B]

also ssj4 is still the best looking form of super saiyan👆

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
im more curious how powerful goku has to be before he can kill supes with a kmhmh?

also ssj4 is still the best looking form of super saiyan👆

What are ways Superman could put Goku down without having to use just brute strength only?

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet if you started the discussion around say strength you would arrive at a very different outcome for how powerful these characters appear. Which I understand would limit the DB characters to a small subsections of their capabilities but by limiting the questions to just moon/planet busting and power scaling ABC logic we're also kind of limiting the overall discussion around the comicbook counterparts as well.

So we've limited the discussion to talking about destroying moons and planets and moving power levels through Sagas. I think most people are likely hesitant to answer the question because power in DB is weird. Not that it isn't weird in comics either but we often average things out on here for debates but we don't do that for the DB universe because of how it's set up.

The tournament of power just kind of brought it all to a head. Android 17 being a prime example. There is absolutely no way he should have been able to contend with anyone that could give Goku or Vegeta any difficulty by that point in time. Also where were those shields when cell was trying to eat him 😛

Darkseid lifting fts pale in comparison to Hulk lifting fts and Darkseid would beat him. DB characters don't go around lifting crap. Their strength shows in their fights. Zaar didnt have a single lifting ft and he showed up and nearly killed Superman, one of the strongest Heralds in his universe. How did lifting fts become the defining rule on who could win a fight? Who's stronger, Surfer or Colossus and why

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
👆

the guy has skyfathers at universe destroying levels but then acts like the db side are the ones overdoing it lol.

derpool, if you take god of destruction can destroy universe statements at face level

why not take the likes of odin or trigon with similar statements

nice job stretching the page btw

Originally posted by Galan007
Ironically enough, I actually think that YOU are the only one(except maybe carver on a few occasions) who is coming up with such erroneous claims about DB characters.

No one said that DB lifting strength can compete with high-end lifting strength from comics. No one said that DB speed can compete with high-end speedsters from comics(until at least DBS). No one said that DB physical durability can compete with physical durability from comics(unless we're talking about durability to energy projection.) etc.

These basic questions were originally posed several pages ago:
1.) who is the weakest comic book character who could replicate Piccolo's moon-busting blast?
2.) who is the weakest comic book character who could no-sell Piccolo's moon-busting attack like Raditz did?

But instead of trying to answer such simple questions, some of you people completely dodge them(for whatever reason) and retort with shit like: "Oh yeah!? Well who in DB can lift infinity like Superman did??!! LMAO DB is weaksauce!!!"

...And then rant about how "childish" the DB fans are. It's a weird double-standard that you're peddling right now.

Instead of ranting, maybe you could try contributing something logical and constructive to the discussion?

I am contributing though,

I have posted scans of strength speed and magic on comics side

now I'm waiting for the db side to show up with something

The intent of this thread is to act as a compendium of sorts where any and all discussions pertaining to "Dragon Ball vs. Comics" are allowed.

im just not a sucker that gets sucked into

hey here is someone with power level of 300 destroying the moon

find a herald level being in comics that can do that

oh gladiator or supergirl?

cool, well goku black is 1 millions times stronger than that 300 pl moon destroyer

now find someone who is 1 million times stronger than supergirl or gladiator, to compare to goku black

that way we can contribute in a "fair" comparison

as if moon/planet destroying mean everything in fights?

or db scaling pertaining to comics in any way?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What are ways Superman could put Goku down without having to use just brute strength only?

Originally posted by carver9
Darkseid lifting fts pale in comparison to Hulk lifting fts and Darkseid would beat him. DB characters don't go around lifting crap. Their strength shows in their fights. Zaar didnt have a single lifting ft and he showed up and nearly killed Superman, one of the strongest Heralds in his universe. How did lifting fts become the defining rule on who could win a fight? Who's stronger, Surfer or Colossus and why

zaar trembled the phantom zone in his fight, phantom zone is infinite in size

what level in db do you have to be, to fight and shake the entire universe where people can feel it galaxies away

Originally posted by MrMind
zaar trembled the phantom zone in his fight, phantom zone is infinite in size

what level in db do you have to be, to fight and shake the entire universe where people can feel it galaxies away

Originally posted by Diesldude
punch him out. But this isnt a vs thread

vs posts are allowed on this thread

Originally posted by Galan007
Ironically enough, I actually think that YOU are the only one(except maybe carver on a few occasions) who is coming up with such erroneous claims about DB characters.

No one said that DB lifting strength can compete with high-end lifting strength from comics. No one said that DB speed can compete with high-end speedsters from comics(until at least DBS). No one said that DB physical durability can compete with physical durability from comics(unless we're talking about durability to energy projection.) etc.

These basic questions were originally posed several pages ago:
1.) who is the weakest comic book character who could replicate Piccolo's moon-busting blast?
2.) who is the weakest comic book character who could no-sell Piccolo's moon-busting attack like Raditz did?

But instead of trying to answer such simple questions, some of you people completely dodge them(for whatever reason) and retort with shit like: "Oh yeah!? Well who in DB can lift infinity like Superman did??!! LMAO DB is weaksauce!!!"

...And then rant about how "childish" the DB fans are. It's a weird double-standard that you're peddling right now.

Instead of ranting, maybe you could try contributing something logical and constructive to the discussion?

Understand that this in response to MrMin. I haven’t added my input on baseline like reading all the input.

But my issue is that we aren’t looking in the proper direction for branding their tier. Instead of guys that can destroy a moon via physicality we should look for beings that can do this via energy attack

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
vs posts are allowed on this thread

I think because db character are limited by their physicality they should be a cap on their tier. Of course they have a really high ceiling when it come to energy attacks, like hulk does with strength.

Originally posted by carver9
Who's stronger, Surfer or Colossus and why

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Surfer. Pretty sure he has better feats.

Fack put. New screen protector on my phone and the left left side of the screen isn’t as responsive.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ironically enough, I actually think that YOU are the only one(except maybe carver on a few occasions) who is coming up with such erroneous claims about DB characters.

No one said that DB lifting strength can compete with high-end lifting strength from comics. No one said that DB speed can compete with high-end speedsters from comics(until at least DBS). No one said that DB physical durability can compete with physical durability from comics(unless we're talking about durability to energy projection.) etc.

These basic questions were originally posed several pages ago:
1.) who is the weakest comic book character who could replicate Piccolo's moon-busting blast?
2.) who is the weakest comic book character who could no-sell Piccolo's moon-busting attack like Raditz did?

But instead of trying to answer such simple questions, some of you people completely dodge them(for whatever reason) and retort with shit like: "Oh yeah!? Well who in DB can lift infinity like Superman did??!! LMAO DB is weaksauce!!!"

...And then rant about how "childish" the DB fans are. It's a weird double-standard that you're peddling right now.

Instead of ranting, maybe you could try contributing something logical and constructive to the discussion?

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, they're simple question that don't have any "sinister" motives afaik. I think most people are likely hesitant to answer because of the glaring implications of characters from early in the Saiyan saga already being THAT powerful... But I digress.

As I've mentioned several times now: even though the characters in the Cell saga were literally hundreds of millions of times more powerful than the characters in the Saiyan saga, we still know that their energy projection caps at solar system level by that era... So there is still a defined energy projection ceiling in place that no amount of scaling/wank can get around. That should make the anti-DB'ers happy, tbh.

You have amazing patience sometimes.

Yes, agreed with everything.

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Anti-DB side is mostly made out of lunatics and sock accounts for the time being, at least.

And the pro-DB side has two of the biggest Superman fanboys on the whole Internet, who would gladly sacrifice their lives for the character, if DC asked them to do it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You have amazing patience sometimes.

Yes, agreed with everything.

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Anti-DB side is mostly made out of lunatics and sock accounts for the time being, at least.

And the [b]pro-DB side has two of the biggest Superman fanboys on the whole Internet, who would gladly sacrifice their lives for the character, if DC asked them to do it. [/B]

I’m just saying that, even Galan acknowledged that db characters don’t match up physically with marvel and dc heavy hitters.

Any mid herald to high herald with superspeed and super strength can get to them and end it before dbz guys get their big solar system destroying attack.

What mid herald is fast enough to even touch them?

Lightspeed was reached early on in DBZ and they get exponentially more powerful.