!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!! · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
Is this a hypothetical, or do you actually believe that?
In case it's the former, we go straight to ligma.

no, we can't give you a feat of someone destroy a moon with energy blast

we just wanna keep the conversation and scaling moving forward

like galan said no more derailment

so which herald are you happy with that can replicate what master roshi did in this hypothetical situation

surfer?

thor?

maybe even superman?

after roshi we can move on to piccolo

aren't we trying to find the equivelant power output in comics?

so let's come up with a comic character everyone is happy with that can destroy the moon

so we can move on next to planets, solar system etc

Diesldude Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
Is this a hypothetical, or do you actually believe that?
In case it's the former, we go straight to ligma.

Honest question, Ligma the disease or Ligma balls?

StiltmanFTW CBvF

😂

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Who is "we", Mr. Mind? Am I suddenly transported into the movie "Split"? Is this Kevin I'm talking to, now?

It's not about what herald I'm "happy with", it's about who you believe would be the closest. Which is why I asked you if you're just throwing them out there, or truly believe they are the weakest who are in that ballpark.

You're breaking the record for how many mental breakdowns a person has had in a thread.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Honest question, Ligma the disease or Ligma balls?

The latter.

Tao's attack that Stilt posted would be like a gust in the wind

MrMind Senior Member

I believe gladiator can destroy a moon

he did destroy a planet with punches

I'm not having mental break down

I'm actually laughing hysterically in this whole conversation

but let's say master roshi from martial arts tournament=gladiator kallark

what's next

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by MrMind
I believe gladiator can destroy a moon
he did destroy a planet with punches
I'm not having mental break down
I'm actually laughing hysterically in this whole conversation
but let's say master roshi from martial arts tournament=gladiator kallark
what's next

I, too, believe that Gladiator can destroy the moon. What I'm asking is if in your opinion, he is the weakest character able to do so.

Is he? Do you also believe that Gladiator = Mr. Roshi? That seems far fetched to me.

I'm sure you're laughing....hysterically. Some might even say like a maniac.

Diesldude Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
Who is "we", Mr. Mind? Am I suddenly transported into the movie "Split"? Is this Kevin I'm talking to, now?
It's not about what herald I'm "happy with", it's about who you believe would be the closest. Which is why I asked you if you're just throwing them out there, or truly believe they are the weakest who are in that ballpark.
You're breaking the record for how many mental breakdowns a person has had in a thread.
The latter.
Tao's attack that Stilt posted would be like a gust in the wind

😂

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
I, too, believe that Gladiator can destroy the moon. What I'm asking is if in your opinion, he is the weakest character able to do so.
Is he? Do you also believe that Gladiator = Mr. Roshi? That seems far fetched to me.
I'm sure you're laughing....hysterically. Some might even say like a maniac.

ok let's go with terrax then, terrax has split a planet in two before

so terrax equals db roshi

now let's get the scaling begin

Diesldude Senior Member

Does this statement count?

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Ok, so if Terrax iyo ~= Roshi, where would you put King Piccolo?

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by Diesldude
Does this statement count?

Of course not.

Since his optic blasts have done nothing in their whole history to make us believe that.

Unlike with Dragon Ball, where we are shown Kamesennin and Pre-King Kai Piccolo destroying the moon with ki-based attacks.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

The reluctance to accept/validate DB's energy projection is weird.

Why is it so hard to believe that, yes, characters as far back as the Saiyan saga were likely in the herald realm of power(unless you think someone below herald level can one-shot moons and planets)..?

But even if, say, Nappa's raw energy projection(and relative durability to energy attacks) is on par with a herald's, it doesn't necessarily mean he can beat that herald in a forum fight.

So what exactly is the problem? 😕

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by MrMind
dbs goku did something similar
but got scraped by a bullet, durability not even once
YouTube video

I understand a lot of what you're saying, but the durability angle is a loser. Glass cannons have always been a thing after all. Hell you could scrape Wonderwoman with a bullet.

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
Ok, so if Terrax iyo ~= Roshi, where would you put King Piccolo?

ok piccolo is like what like twice as powerful as roshi at martial tournaments
so gladiator = king piccolo

what now?

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand a lot of what you're saying, but the durability angle is a loser. Glass cannons have always been a thing after all.

Goku's been bulletproof since his first appearance.

He may register some minor pain or get a scratch in his powered down state, but that's it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hell you could scrape Wonderwoman with a bullet.

No, goober.

You could easily kill Diana with one:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.
One of the bullets that bounced off Superman's chest:

Superman needed to cauterize the wound, too.
She also required Raven's magical help to heal and had to face Thanatos in the afterlife.
Took her an issue and a half to recover and rejoin her teammates...

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by Galan007
The reluctance to accept/validate DB's energy projection is weird.
Why is it so hard to believe that, yes, characters as far back as the Saiyan saga were likely in the herald realm of power(unless you think someone below herald level can one-shot moons and planets)..?
But even if, say, Nappa's raw energy projection(and relative durability to energy attacks) is on par with a herald's, it doesn't necessarily mean he can beat that herald in a forum fight.
So what exactly is the problem? 😕

At this point, I think we need to point out some things just to reassure people that their insecurities are unfounded.

Yes, the likes of J'onn and Nate [and more] can TP win against a very large percentage, if not nearly all, characters.
Yes, Flash/Superman, at their best speed-feats [i.e. attosecond or large] would be able to contend against a very large percentage, if not nearly all, characters.
Yes, Zatanna's magic [if she doesn't get blitzed] would affect and fall a very large, if not nearly all, characters.
etc.

We're talking strictly about general power-level.

Originally posted by MrMind
ok piccolo is like what like twice as powerful as roshi at martial tournaments
so gladiator = king piccolo
what now?

Where do you rank adult Goku from the end of the original DB?

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Philosophía
At this point, I think we need to point out some things just to reassure people that their insecurities are unfounded.
Yes, the likes of J'onn and Nate [and more] can TP win against a very large percentage, if not nearly all, characters.
Yes, Flash/Superman, at their best speed-feats [i.e. attosecond or large] would be able to contend against a very large percentage, if not nearly all, characters.
Yes, Zatanna's magic [if she doesn't get blitzed] would affect and fall a very large, if not nearly all, characters.
etc.
We're talking strictly about general power-level.
Where do you rank adult Goku from the end of the original DB?

I don't remember

but raditz is 1500 power level and he's more powerful than adult goku at the beginning of z, king piccolo is only like 320

raditz is at least 5 times more powerful than king piccolo

so who is 5 times more powerful than gladiator?

let's go with post crisis superman

so post crisis superman= raditz

now what

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Ok.

Where iyo does Nappa rank?

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Easily above Thanos or Darkseid.

Say it, Mind. You'll feel better.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
The reluctance to accept/validate DB's energy projection is weird.
Why is it so hard to believe that, yes, characters as far back as the Saiyan saga were likely in the herald realm of power(unless you think someone below herald level can one-shot moons and planets)..?
But even if, say, Nappa's raw energy projection(and relative durability to energy attacks) is on par with a herald's, it doesn't necessarily mean he can beat that herald in a forum fight.
So what exactly is the problem? 😕

For me personally, while they're in the minority there are at least a few of high metas who I could potentially see pulling it off with max effort like Roshi. That's not to say I think it would be just another day at the office or anything like that, but my jaw wouldn't drop to the floor as I tried to to say the letters "BS" if I were reading a comic and saw Baron Mordo, Clor, Jack of Hearts, Thunderstrike, or Wonderman pull it off for example. Gotta remember that while incredibly impressive from the ground, destroying a moon is still a pretty far cry from destroying a planet. I do think it's more impressive than a continental level attack, but not by leaps and bounds or anything like that given that the surface of Earth's crust is likely denser and more durable than moonrock. The force it would take to shake the entire Earth might actually be somewhere in the area of what it would take to destroy the moon(have to ask a math guy about that though).