!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by carver9
This is why i say you can't judge DB characters based off of lifting fts.

Even though Goku can easily punch characters through mountains with his striking strength, he still struggled to lift 40 tons for some strange reason. I don't have any clue *why* Toriyama portrays DB strength like that... But he does. It is what it is.

But I completely agree that in a fight, striking strength is going to be our best measuring stick.

Originally posted by MrMind
mainly because of dbs and later part of dbz, dragonball dominates heralds to trans levels in physical fights, if we exclude haxx

I think current superman is at least SSJ2 level, depends on how we view average supes it can go higher

sure he can't destroy the solar system with one blast like cell claims, because he has no such energy attack. but if these 2 fights I have no doubt superman can win

if tomorrow superman turns evil and going all out he can bliftz all the planets in the solar system at ftl speed, and explode the sun if he has to. especially rebirth superman

the thing is individual comic characters will always have higher highs and lower lows, a wider spectrum of power gap compare to anime, because it's written by different writers. but superman at his absolute base level exclude PIS low showing, should be SSJ2

so not namek saga goku level like abhi claimed

but superman is absolutely not dbs goku level either, I think anybody can agree an unamped superman cannot match mui goku, neither can any of the heralds to trans characters on our kmc list.

For example: Saiyan saga Vegeta soaked a blast that was planetary+. So for a comic character to kill Vegeta outright(with a single attack) we can logically say that they would need to have output that far exceeds Goku's KKx4.

Same with Raditz soaking what was logically a moon-buster.

Originally posted by Diesldude
ok show me a physical punch from dbz guy that can take out gladiator, blue marvel, BA or Superman. If we go by punches shown in this thread all these guys tAnk it and they will hit back a lot harder than what is shown here by db character. And doesn’t it take time for them to charge their blast? These comic guy are fat enough to get them

I think because db character are limited by their physicality they should be a cap on their tier. Of course they have a really high ceiling when it come to energy attacks, like hulk does with strength.

So when Frieza at 1 percent power effortlessly kicks away Vegeta's full power ball that could destroy Namek, that was his physical strikes.

You guys keep conflating lifting strength with strikes like Superman but you need to think more of Iron Fist only Iron Fist's whole body gets an amp in everyway. Or you can look at real life as well to understand the difference.

Goku could fail lifting 1 ton and it wouldn't take away from what he can damage with a punch. Unless the task is to specifically lift an object, this has no bearing on how he fights.

They aren't specifically strong against energy attacks only, they just raise their durability as their power grows. So when Imperfect Cell gets beat around by 16 and then Semi-Perfect tanks his punch without flinching, that's an increase in all around durability. If they are capable of damaging people who can kick away planet destroyers with normal attacks, then what does this mean? Why are they also capable of tanking these "moon busters" but then get hurt by a punch at a higher power level? Both are hitting their skin. We know energy can utterly destroy these fighters so they aren't especially strong against it.

Basically if you are strong enough to damage someone with a punch, you are strong enough to damage them with a blast. The power level stays the same until they specifically charge up bigger attacks. They can cause more damage with energy because they can charge more into it, but that doesn't mean their punches don't correlate to their power level, and when they can spam many punches at a time it's a worthwhile tactic.

If Gladiator can be hurt by an instant blast from a DB character then he can be hurt by a punch basically. That is how their physicality works in Dragon Ball.

Also look at Recoome vs. Vegeta. This was a Vegeta after multiple zenkais. He unloads his most powerful attacks on Recoome(both physical AND energy attacks), and Recoome soaks them all without an issue.

Then Goku shows up and drops Recoome with a casual elbow.

One thing, when they aren't powered up, to being a higher level of power than their enemy, then they are able to be physically harmed by lesser things.

Goku is the biggest proponent of this, and being caught off guard, but we've also seen Krillin get shot through the arm by a bullet. And the fact that, Krillin was able to blast through Vegeta because he lowered his power down enough. So, it's very much a energy thing even with the punches. Vegeta used all his energy, was weakened, couldn't kill Krillin and was then able to be hurt by a sword slash during the Saiyan saga.

And there's really no way to know how much stronger End of Cell Saga Goku is than his Namekian self, because we've seen Piccolo get stomped by someone with a slight power gap since he was 3,500 officially and Nappa was 4,000.

So anyone with any power advantage is going to tank normal blasts and physical attacks when they are fighting. It's powered up attacks that focus power into a spot that have been any issue to foes with higher power. Or destructo disk.

Basically this...

YouTube video

Any high herald from Marvel DC kills any Dragonball character with just one punch. Don't @ me, because I'm right and you're wrong.

I doubt that DB characters can destroy a planet with onn single punch.
On the other hand, Comic characters above herald can easily destroy a planet with their fist.

Originally posted by Galan007
Like I said, just because we can come to the conclusion that characters between the Saiyan saga and Cell saga logically range between herald and trans(+) level, it does not preclude the notion that they can still be beaten by certain comic characters who may rank 'lower' on the tiers list. A general baseline is all we're trying to establish here.

For example: Saiyan saga Vegeta soaked a blast that was planetary+. So for a comic character to kill Vegeta outright(with a single attack) we can logically say that they would need to have output that far exceeds Goku's KKx4.

Same with Raditz soaking what was logically a moon-buster.

Originally posted by CatL18
On the other hand, Comic characters above herald can easily destroy a planet with their fist.

O RLY?

Examples?

Originally posted by CatL18
Hey Galan, Who in DB characters including DBS can rival current Superman?
I want to know your thought.

Would Galan post really change your mind about anything though?

Which feat is more impressive

Depends what you think was happening in the Superman scene, I suppose.

Originally posted by Galan007
Depends what you think was happening in the Superman scene, I suppose.

😂

Classic Trollberto 👆

how powerful was buff buu?

Somewhere between Super Boo and Bootenks.

Personally I don't see a problem with saiyan arc Goku being in PostCrisis Superman's realm on average.

Of course a highly written Superman would still beat him though

A "highly written" Supes would beat the guy in your avi/sig vin

So he'd beat the shit out of a dog?

That only makes him Mungi-level, tbf.

I'm pretty sure that Norman > Presence.

Norman was much bigger, had some insane cosplaying skills and Mungi posted plenty of feats of him doing massive collateral damage in his place (to be fair, he had the separation anxiety amp at the time).

Presence is all bark, no bite.