Or you can even limit the discussions to just energy projection(and relative durability to energy attacks) for now.
Other things like: speed, brute strength, matter transmutation, magic, mindrape, etc. can always come later.
Because like I've been saying: just because DB character 'x' might have energy projection/durability on par with the likes of Surfer, it doesn't necessarily mean said DB character can beat Surfer in a forum fight.
We are only trying to establish a baseline here.
that's why I showed feats of speed, strength and magic of comic characters from herald to trans
db can't compete with speed, strength, magic, tp and a lot of areas
but yeah I'll give you that energy attacks db stomps dc and marvel heralds to trans, but that's only energy projection, and only limit below abstract levels.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You mean by no-selling and stomping the other guy scaling? Is that trademarked by Dragon Ball?Well, at least we got your opinion that based on those criteria, Roshi/Nappa ~ Terrax/GA SBP.
GA SBP destroyed a universe and endure an universal busting attack
we know saiyan saga vegeta can't do that, you need beerus to do that
yet if we go with scaling progression GA SBP is closer to Saiyan saga vegeta than Beerus
why is that?
if my scaling is way off then how do we scale it?
maybe it's because comics dont follow the kind of scaling db
where in db from moon destroyer to universe destroyer you have to be like a million times more powerful in power level
but in comics you don't have to go in that depth
Originally posted by MrMindI don't disagree that a number of characters in comics can absolutely beat DB characters in a forum battle, as there are certain things that DB just can't logically deal with(high-end speedsters and mindrape are a few examples.) But I'm glad you can at least agree on the energy projection/durability side of things. 👆
that's why I showed feats of speed, strength and magic of comic characters from herald to transdb can't compete with speed, strength, magic, tp and a lot of areas
but yeah I'll give you that energy attacks db stomps dc and marvel heralds to trans, but that's only energy projection, and only limit below abstract levels.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXVegeta didn't "tank" Goku's KKx4, but he definitely withstood it just fine.
how powerful was goku's kaio ken blast that vegeta tanked?
The blast itself was planetary+ given that it easily overpowered Vegeta's Galick Gun(which was a planet-buster.)
Originally posted by Galan007
👆I always think of "tanking" and "no-selling" as pretty much the same thing in these discussions.
Most of the time, yes 👆
But every once in a while, someone like Riv or Deadpool points out the difference.
For example, Punisher entering the crackhouse, getting shot multiple times and still getting the job done and killing everyone, then leaving in his battlevan, would count as him "tanking" bullets.
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"Tank" is an RPG term for players with a lot of hit points, good armor, auto-healing spells or auto-potions, who act as meatshields when the rest of the team does the killing or supports them from range.
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Since when did anyone care what Riv says?
It doesn't matter who says it.
Technically, DP is right here - Vegeta was roughed up, but he did "tank" the kamehameha blast in the sense that he took it like a man and was far from done.
Other example would be this:
Or this:
They are tanking the damage, not no-selling it.
Here is a brief discussion on it from cv:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/tanking-vs-no-selling-2095818/
^ Which includes examples from DBZ and DC.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta can planet bust and if he used that same attack against, say Ginyu, it wouldn't even register but a punch from Namek saga Goku would ruin him. Of course youre going to say it's still an energy attack. Let's go a little further into this. Frieza at near depleted power survived a planet exploding on him in the face. Cut in half, etc, etc... this same Frieza would get one punched by android Saga Goku. Outright killed in a single hit/punch. This is why i say you can't judge DB characters based off of lifting fts. Beerus stood in the heart of a planet exploding but Super Saiyan 2, angry Vegeta had more of an effect with his punches and kicks than the full explosion of the planet. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan one punching beings that are above planetary into dust with a single punch but they can stand in one spot and tank a planet exploding attack with no harm. What im saying, this is more than just energy attacks. The higher the power level, the more immune you are to ALL attacks.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't disagree that a number of characters in comics can absolutely beat DB characters in a forum battle, as there are certain things that DB just can't logically deal with(high-end speedsters and mindrape are a few examples.) But I'm glad you can at least agree on the energy projection/durability side of things. 👆Vegeta didn't "tank" Goku's KKx4, but he definitely withstood it just fine.
The blast itself was planetary+ given that it easily overpowered Vegeta's Galick Gun(which was a planet-buster.)
mainly because of dbs and later part of dbz, dragonball dominates heralds to trans levels in physical fights, if we exclude haxx
I think current superman is at least SSJ2 level, depends on how we view average supes it can go higher
sure he can't destroy the solar system with one blast like cell claims, because he has no such energy attack. but if these 2 fights I have no doubt superman can win
if tomorrow superman turns evil and going all out he can bliftz all the planets in the solar system at ftl speed, and explode the sun if he has to. especially rebirth superman
the thing is individual comic characters will always have higher highs and lower lows, a wider spectrum of power gap compare to anime, because it's written by different writers. but superman at his absolute base level exclude PIS low showing, should be SSJ2
so not namek saga goku level like abhi claimed
but superman is absolutely not dbs goku level either, I think anybody can agree an unamped superman cannot match mui goku, neither can any of the heralds to trans characters on our kmc list.