!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by Philosophía
This and also average ballpark. DB characters have one writer so theres no such thing as high portrayal -- they simply are. They're a straight line while comic book characters are all over the place varying by writer.

And while you can argue that J'onn's TP or Flash/Superman's speed are above, that is not the point, we're not focusing on particular abilities, but on the overall picture.

So if we agree on Piccolo -- where'd Nappa land to treat him like that?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The 'extreme gravity' is already accounted for.

It was consistent because vegeta in the android saga was at first struggling with 300x gravity, which dr brief's said would make his body feel like 18 tons.

They also said that the extreme gravity really didn't have much to due with the outer layer of power, it had more to do with what it did internally. Then you also have to factor in, this same type of training, gravity intensity impacted even high Heralds in both Marvel and DC when put in the same situation.

Originally posted by Galan007
I mentioned this before, but lifting strength in DB never matches striking strength for whatever reason. A character who can effortlessly shatter mountains with a punch, for example, isn't going to struggle lifting 40 tons.

I've never really understood *why* Toriyama portrays strength in DB the way he does... But he's honestly pretty phucking stupid, so that's probably the reason. /shrug

Also Toriyama probably just doesn't care. I mean he has destroyed the moon how many times with zero consequences to Earth 😜

Also I forget but didn't they die from Golden Frieza blowing up the Earth and Whis had to rewind time to save them?

Which was weird given it was shown both Goku and Vegeta were well above Frieza at that point. At least enough Vegeta could treat him as a nuisance.

Originally posted by carver9
They also said that the extreme gravity really didn't have much to due with the outer layer of power, it had more to do with what it did internally. Then you also have to factor in, this same type of training, gravity intensity impacted even high Heralds in both Marvel and DC when put in the same situation.

You tried to bring up this 'internal' affect theory years ago and I debunked it then too.

If the gravity thing only hurts them because it affects their internal organs more than their skeleton and muscles then their internal organs should burst every time they punch each other.

It's a nonsense theory.

DB series as a whole has excellent energy projection, excellent speed, good to excellent striking feats and terrible lifting feats.

Take the good with the bad.

Originally posted by Newjak
I've heard that people try to account for this by saying it's not their physical strength but just raw energy. Which is also why people think Goku could get taken out by a base laser gun during the Golden Frieza arc since he was caught undefended by his energy powers.

Same as when a DB character punches their opponent so hard that they slam into, and shatter, a mountain. A character with cl.40 strength isn't doing something like that.

But Toriyama obviously doesn't think about things like that. It is what it is.

Originally posted by Newjak
Also I forget but didn't they die from Golden Frieza blowing up the Earth and Whis had to rewind time to save them?

Which was weird given it was shown both Goku and Vegeta were well above Frieza at that point. At least enough Vegeta could treat him as a nuisance.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's their energy amping their physical abilities.

Same as when a DB character punches their opponent so hard that they slam into, and shatter, a mountain. A character with cl.40 strength isn't doing something like that.

But Toriyama obviously doesn't think about things like that. It is what it is.

It wasn't the blast itself that would've killed them. It was their inability to survive in space.

Edit: Just watched the scene again. They mention that Frieza most likely survived because his species can survive in space. So you could derive from that statement that Vegeta could have survived but died in space. Weird though because they weren't that far from Whis and the others. You would think Vegeta could have just flown over to the giant purple dome real fast ;p

Of course Toriyama doesn't really like Vegeta lol

Toriyama only likes two characters: Goku and Krillin.

Originally posted by Philosophía
So if we agree on Piccolo -- where'd Nappa land to treat him like that?

Originally posted by Galan007
Toriyama only likes two characters: Goku and Krillin.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
if piccolo is BA level, then nappa would pretty much have to be coked out ultraman level by default.

After all, Nappa was obviously capable of one-shotting Piccolo the entire time.

Didn't SSJ Vegeta Toyotarō's retarded manga, fail to lift Magetta, who weighed 1,000 tons.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Didn't SSJ Vegeta Toyotarō's retarded manga, fail to lift Magetta, who weighed 1,000 tons.

They have some bad lifting showings but their striking fts are high end. Same fight, Vegeta punched Megetta and shook the entire dragonball that was the size of a planet.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Didn't SSJ Vegeta Toyotarō's retarded manga, fail to lift Magetta, who weighed 1,000 tons.

But in all seriousness, it goes back to what I was saying earlier: lifting strength in DB has never matched striking strength for some strange reason.

Thanks for allowing this because there are actually a lot of questions I've been wanting to ask.

But for starters, is feat sharing allowed for DBZ characters. So like if one character can destroy a planet or survive a planet destroying attack (like Saiyan arc Vegeta for instance), can we assume that characters with a higher power level (like Dodoria) could do the same and more?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Ok I'll start.

Who is the weakest person who can dodge saiyans saga piccolo's special beam cannon from point blank range?

It went to the moon in roughly a couple of seconds which makes it around lightspeed or at least highly relativistic.

(And yes the dragon ball moon is confirmed to be just as far away as the actual moon)

Originally posted by Mendax
Thanks for allowing this because there are actually a lot of questions I've been wanting to ask.

But for starters, is feat sharing allowed for DBZ characters. So like if one character can destroy a planet or survive a planet destroying attack (like Saiyan arc Vegeta for instance), can we assume that characters with a higher power level (like Dodoria) could do the same and more?

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbf, Beerus said that Magetta weighed "over" 1,000 tons. So Magetta could have weighed a billion tons, and Beerus' statement wouldn't technically be wrong(a billion is indeed "over" a thousand.) vin

But in all seriousness, it goes back to what I was saying earlier: lifting strength in DB has never matched striking strength for some strange reason.

They watch to see people fight and get blowned up 😛

EDIT: Also intense yelling to power up lol

Originally posted by Galan007
Toriyama only likes three characters: Broly, Goku and Krillin.

Fixed

Originally posted by Mendax
But for starters, is feat sharing allowed for DBZ characters. So like if one character can destroy a planet or survive a planet destroying attack (like Saiyan arc Vegeta for instance), can we assume that characters with a higher power level (like Dodoria) could do the same and more?

But like, if you gave Yajirobe a PL of 1,000,000 and then told him to go destroy the earth, he still couldn't do it because the guy has never used a ki blast in his entire history.