!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cell and Buu were exception to the rule more than rule itself. I mean Frieza did survive planet blowing up in Super and then died by a blast which didn't even destroy the ground below.

Not that I think it matters because it's completely different from Akira Toriyama's work.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I mean which comic character himself tanks a concentrated planet destroying attack like that if you want to talk about it?

And for the record, I abhor the "attack potency" argument excuse, because it liberates debaters from having to substantiate their arguments with feats.

You have the same thing in comics where creative liberties in narration and statements are taken at face value, and sometimes in spite of contradicting feats.

In my opinion it's always best to be as skeptic as reason allows.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Didn't Vegeta and Goku physically repelled Buu's first planet destroying attack?

Originally posted by Astner
And for the record, I abhor the "attack potency" argument excuse, because it liberates debaters from having to substantiate their arguments with feats.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Another example is when Freeza destroyed the earth during RoF, and was then stated to have survived the kablooey:

https://i.imgur.com/vTqlKxe.jpg

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Whis rewinds time, and Goku kills Freeza with an energy blast that 'only' produced...I dunno...the collateral damage of a small missile?

But given that Freeza had survived planetary destruction just before that, we know the potency of Goku's blast MUST have been >>> planet-level by default(collateral damage be damned.)

Showings like that are why we can assume the strength of various blasts in DB, even when there is very minor collateral damage produced by the attack(s) in question... Like Raditz no-selling what was logically a moon-buster from Piccolo, for instance.

You can't just... ignore them.

Another question for you, Astner:

Saiyan saga Vegeta charges up his Galick Gun and blasts SS1 Goku with it.

Put the lowballing aside for a moment... You honestly believe Vegeta's blast would injure/kill Goku, cuz planet-buster?

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not too familiar with Super to be honest, I watched the first movie, the Broly movie, and parts of the Tournament of Power, but that's it.

Not that I think it matters because it's completely different from Akira Toriyama's work.

Even in Manga, Goku and Vegeta physically repelled Buu's first planet destroying attack as I recall. Not too familiar with manga though.

Fair enough, but the point remains.

And for the record, I abhor the "attack potency" argument excuse, because it liberates debaters from having to substantiate their arguments with feats.

You have the same thing in comics where creative liberties in narration and statements are taken at face value, and sometimes in spite of contradicting feats.

In my opinion it's always best to be as skeptic as reason allows.

Its the same thing as Hulk or Lobo shown heavily injured to show their healing factor. Cell and Buu were HF type of characters hence they could be shown with injuries. Using that to insinuate all characters in DBZ can't survive planet destroying attacks is disengenous IMO.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not too familiar with Super to be honest, I watched the first movie, the Broly movie, and parts of the Tournament of Power, but that's it.

Not that I think it matters because it's completely different from Akira Toriyama's work.

Fair enough, but the point remains.

And for the record, I abhor the "attack potency" argument excuse, because it liberates debaters from having to substantiate their arguments with feats.

You have the same thing in comics where creative liberties in narration and statements are taken at face value, and sometimes in spite of contradicting feats.

In my opinion it's always best to be as skeptic as reason allows.

Yes they did, my argument isn't that they can't create or deflects planet destroying attacks, it's that they can't survive it if subjected to it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If they can physically deflect the concentrated blast, how is it going to injure them?

Vegeta, for example, soaked Goku's KKx4 Kamehameha, which overpowered his own earth-busting Galick Gun. So even as far back as the Saiyan saga, Vegeta was already capable of enduring planet-busting+ blasts.

Really not sure what Astner is getting at here..?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
TBH, The only two characters I've SEEN survive a Planet being destroyed was Frieza and Buu. He was already half dead by the time it exploded so it's safe to say he's durable enough.

Originally posted by Galan007
Another question for you, Astner:

Saiyan saga Vegeta charges up his Galick Gun and blasts SS1 Goku with it.

Put the lowballing aside for a moment... You honestly believe Vegeta's blast would injure/kill Goku, cuz planet-buster?

Originally posted by abhilegend
If they can physically deflect the concentrated blast, how is it going to injure them?

The best analogue I can give is tennis ball and a tennis racket.

Originally posted by Astner

If Goku doesn't deflect it, then yes.

Saiyan saga Vegeta wasn't killed by an attack that overpowered his planet buster, but you think ssj Goku, who's literally millions of times stronger would be killed?

This....makes no sense

Originally posted by Genii96
Saiyan saga Vegeta wasn't killed by an attack that overpowered his planet buster, but you think ssj Goku, who's literally millions of times stronger would be killed?

Originally posted by Astner

If Goku doesn't deflect it, then yes. I honestly don't think Goku wasn't intended to be able to survive at ground zero of a planet destroying blast in the original manga.

By them choosing not the deflect it.

The best analogue I can give is tennis ball and a tennis racket.

So Antimonitor got killed by a room destroying blast here?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9052647e6fa8bc7f61c9ba441a55c32

Originally posted by carver9
So Antimonitor got killed by a room destroying blast here?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e9052647e6fa8bc7f61c9ba441a55c32

Whether you think the blast has some hidden power doesn't really matter since it was technically, like you described it a "room destroying blast."

Originally posted by Galan007
It's not.

Vegeta, for example, soaked Goku's KKx4 Kamehameha, which overpowered his own earth-busting Galick Gun. So even as far back as the Saiyan saga, Vegeta was already capable of enduring planet-busting+ blasts.

Really not sure what Astner is getting at here..?

Originally posted by Genii96
Saiyan saga Vegeta wasn't killed by an attack that overpowered his planet buster, but you think ssj Goku, who's literally millions of times stronger would be killed?

This....makes no sense

My argument is that there's a certain mechanic to fights in Dragon Ball.

It's made clear in the manga that characters have energy reserves that are being depleted based on the damage they receive and the power they waste.

So battles (that aren't one-sided) is a process of wearing out your opponent or quickly overcoming their defenses.

That said, I do think that characters that are strong enough and can regenerate, like Cell and Buu, could survive a planet destroying blast at ground zero. Mainly because Buu did, and Cell survived the Kamehameha.

Originally posted by Astner

By them choosing not the deflect it.

The best analogue I can give is tennis ball and a tennis racket.

That makes no sense. Also Frieza survived planet busting attacks but Trunks incinerated him with a casual blast when Mecha Frieza was more powerful than previous version.

What about Raditz no-selling Piccolo's blast at close range?

Piccolo was shocked it didn't even scratch Raditz.

Vegeta had to lower his ki down for Krillin to mortally wound him while on Namek.

Originally posted by Astner
Yeah.

Whether you think the blast has some hidden power doesn't really matter since it was technically, like you described it a "room destroying blast."

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What about Raditz no-selling Piccolo's blast at close range?

Piccolo was shocked it didn't even scratch Raditz.

Vegeta had to lower his ki down for Krillin to mortally wound him while on Namek.

Krillin had no such issues kicking SSJ Gohan into a ring out.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Vegeta had to lower his ki down for Krillin to mortally wound him while on Namek.

Originally posted by cdtm
Krillin had no such issues kicking SSJ Gohan into a ring out.

Because he's a master martial artist more than capable of using his opponent's momentum against him, especially when blindsiding him? 😉

And why do you keep using instances from Super, if you hate it so much?