@Dark Not to mention even if Batman gets his PIS/CIS showing against Thawne, he only rates Thawne at hypersonic speeds at best.
He said Thawne sees moments as only 'days'. If he was at nanosecond level reflexes he would see moments as decades, not days. Even then he would be only low level FTL (light moves one foot per nanosecond).
So ok, Batman gets his showing against Thawne in a showing where the latter is slow as shit.
Originally posted by AstnerDo you think anyone in DB is capable of matching highend Flash's combat speed?
High-end Flash would be an absolute monster.Not only is he in a speed class far beyond everyone else, with agility and reaction to match. Which effectively makes everyone he'd fight a statue.
If for some reason someone could manage to keep up with him, then he could just leech the speed out of their body by touching them, widening that gap.
And if his opponent (who's can't
reactmove) isn't hurt by the Infinite Mass Punches, which supposedly packs the mass of a small star, he can just casually phase out organs out of his opponents organs by vibrating. Which can also be used defensively to negate any physical damage he'd take if he for some reason was trapped.And if that wasn't enough he can **** up the entire multiverse with his time travel.
But for some reason his writers decided to make his archenemies a dude who's really good at throwing boomerangs, a guy armed with freeze spray, an old man with a violin, and a guy who's really nifty with mirrors.
In later years that's somewhat gotten a better gauge on the Flash by introducing villains like the Reverse Flash and Godspeed. But those technically have the same powers as the Flash. Which really hits the point home that you really need to be like the Flash to compete with the Flash.
Dark, look at this showing. This is the slowest of combat showing. After this, Goku movements would be snail like in comparison to the later versions...
Originally posted by CosmicComet
@Dark Not to mention even if Batman gets his PIS/CIS showing against Thawne, he only rates Thawne at hypersonic speeds at best.He said Thawne sees moments as only 'days'. If he was at nanosecond level reflexes he would see moments as decades, not days. Even then he would be only low level FTL (light moves one foot per nanosecond).
So ok, Batman gets his showing against Thawne in a showing where the latter is slow as shit.
He only rates him at that. We all know he's much faster than that - Barry himself says so.
Iow, it's a low showing for Batman, as he's wrong 👆
And I'm not even getting into the other stips, such as one sided prep, lmao. Or his other PIS showings, where's he's faster than HV, or reacts to an amped WW (remember, she's out to kill him, AND I am going to scal off her Shattered God feat).
The fight was rigged by cdtm. Not my fault Carvy was unable to see the trap lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Dark, look at this showing. This is the slowest of combat showing. After this, Goku movements would be snail like in comparison to the later versions...
Call me back when the combatants are fast enough to casually run rings around Barry, who casually keeps up with Wally, who casually outruns Death lmao.
Originally posted by LordGodHard to say because DB doesn't throw around terms like attosecond and yoctosecond when it comes to quantifying combat speed.
Do you think anyone in DB is capable of matching highend Flash's combat speed?
That said, Angel-level UI might be enough. Not sure if anything below that would cope, though.
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Hit might also do well against speedsters with his time-skip and whatnot.
Originally posted by Galan007what makes you think ui can deal with flash's speed? you yourself have said that ui doesn't make characters unhittable. 😛
Hard to say because DB doesn't throw around terms like attosecond and yoctosecond when it comes to quantifying combat speed.That said, Angel-level UI might be enough. Not sure if anything below that would cope, though.
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Hit might also do well against speedsters with his time-skip and whatnot.
Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to say because DB doesn't throw around terms like attosecond and yoctosecond when it comes to quantifying combat speed.That said, Angel-level UI might be enough. Not sure if anything below that would cope, though.
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Hit might also do well against speedsters with his time-skip and whatnot.
Well, Goku sped his way past Hit's time skip.
If its the same type of time skip.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX*Angel-level UI.
what makes you think ui can deal with flash's speed? you yourself have said that ui doesn't make characters unhittable. 😛
Whis, for example, appeared to react to Gogeta's IT... As evident when he abruptly juked to his left, just before Gogeta materialized in the spot he was previously hovering in:
So if Whis can casually react to instantaneous movement, he'd be able to react to Flash.
Not opposed to the notion that other DB characters might be able to cope with Flash-level combat speed, but it's hard to know for sure. A high-end Flash is... Ridiculous.
Originally posted by Galan007
*Angel-level UI.Whis, for example, appeared to react to Gogeta's IT... As evident when he abruptly juked to his left, just before Gogeta materialized in the spot he was previously hovering in:
So if Whis can casually react to instantaneous movement, he'd be able to react to Flash.
Not opposed to the notion that other DB characters might be able to cope with Flash-level combat speed, but it's hard to know for sure. A high-end Flash is... Ridiculous.
Lol... how in the hell did you catch this? Like, really.
Originally posted by carver9
Bet no one remember (or probably didn't know about) this showing. Gohan and Krillin fire off a blast. Not only did they beat their own blast, they are some distance away from it...
Not sure what this has to do with anything. Not sure people remember this, but Barry outran light and Death. Zoom was still casually outrunning him.
And Batman still tagged him.
Originally posted by LordGod
Perhaps Zoom wasn't using his full speed against Batman?
He was trying to stop Batman as quickly as possible. Batman was trying to delay him for 11 seconds.
There's also the WW feat. She's got the God of War amp, which makes her faster. She's deliberately trying to kill him. She's slightly slower than normal, but she's out to kill him. Batman is also badly injured from previous comics. He still keeps up with her.
And I can scale off her Shattered God feat, or when she lassoed an amped Superman up etc etc.
Batman with PIS helping him becomes trans level, lmao.
Originally posted by Galan007wait so you have to move faster than instantaneous to tag a character like whis?
*Angel-level UI.Whis, for example, appeared to react to Gogeta's IT... As evident when he abruptly juked to his left, just before Gogeta materialized in the spot he was previously hovering in:
So if Whis can casually react to instantaneous movement, he'd be able to react to Flash.
Not opposed to the notion that other DB characters might be able to cope with Flash-level combat speed, but it's hard to know for sure. A high-end Flash is... Ridiculous.
man i dont like the implications of that, when you have whis himself saying that the grand minister would stomp him in a fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
*Angel-level UI.Whis, for example, appeared to react to Gogeta's IT... As evident when he abruptly juked to his left, just before Gogeta materialized in the spot he was previously hovering in:
So if Whis can casually react to instantaneous movement, he'd be able to react to Flash.
Not opposed to the notion that other DB characters might be able to cope with Flash-level combat speed, but it's hard to know for sure. A high-end Flash is... Ridiculous.
Wally has a feat where he completely 3 billion years of activity in only a few seconds. That's operational speed that should translate to combat speed as well.
Then there's whole thing with whis being able to sense his power coming