!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Wally has a feat where he completely 3 billion years of activity in only a few seconds. That's operational speed that should translate to combat speed as well.

Then there's whole thing with whis being able to sense his power coming

Could he though?

His "ki" should be unremarkable. And there's no evidence they can sense the Speed Force.

That fact may also throw off "Ultra Instinct", depending on whether ki sensing plays a role in their auto dodge.

We'd need to see Android #17 spar with Goku again to be sure

Originally posted by cdtm
Could he though?

His "ki" should be unremarkable. And there's no evidence they can sense the Speed Force.

That fact may also throw off "Ultra Instinct", depending on whether ki sensing plays a role in their auto dodge.

We'd need to see Android #17 spar with Goku again to be sure

maybe? ki is life energy, the speed force is a fundamental force in DC, who really knows if it can be senses by gods and angels.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Then there's whole thing with whis being able to sense his power coming

That said Whis obviously could not have sensed Gogeta's "in transit" ki in order to predict exactly where he'd materialize, because there is no in transit ki(again: IT =/= physical movement.)

There's also the fact that Whis wouldn't have even known that Gogeta was using IT in the first place, given that Gogeta was talking to Freeza when he IT'd, while Whis was elsewhere playing with Broly.

That is evidently just the level at which an Angel's UI operates.

Originally posted by Galan007
Instantaneous movement is just that: instantaneous. There's nothing to "sense coming", because the ability allows you to teleport from point A to point B, instantly. It's not like you're just flying really fast between locations -- you're literally *poofing* from one spot to another. Instantly.

That said Whis obviously could not have sensed Gogeta's "in transit" ki in order to predict exactly where he'd materialize, because there is no in transit ki(again: IT =/= physical movement.)

There's also the fact that Whis wouldn't have even known that Gogeta was using IT in the first place, given that Gogeta was talking to Freeza when he IT'd, while Whis was elsewhere playing with Broly.

That is evidently just the level at which an Angel's UI operates.

Here's the problem, Goku has to STOP, sense the energy he want to hit to make the connection then IT. It's not absolutely instant. Whis can sense him as soon as he starts.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Here's the problem, Goku has to STOP, sense the energy he want to hit to make the connection then IT. It's not absolutely instant. Whis can sense him as soon as he starts.

Doesn't matter what Goku did before IT. How would Whis known where he was going to port at once he used IT? Think about it for a second.

Most teleporters telegraph their ports in all kinds of ways, alberto is not necessarly very wrong here.

That's not a bad post compared his other ones in this thread, at the very least.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't matter what Goku did before IT. How would Whis known where he was going to port at once he used IT? Think about it for a second.

...What? It does matter, it's the whole REASON his power can be sensed.
Goku has to find an energy signature to connect to when using IT, In the Majin Bu arc when they were fighting in the tournament, Goku used IT to travel to the tournament. Right before he materialized, Vegeta's eyes got big like he was surprised. And right before Goku materialized, Vegeta turned his head to the spot where Goku appeared right before he showed up. It's been a minute since I've seen it but others sensed it

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Most teleporters telegraph their ports in all kinds of ways, alberto is not necessarly very wrong here.

That's not a bad post compared his other ones in this thread, at the very least.

iirc Wasn't it explained that instant transmission has a vibrational frequency that when a person re materializes that vibrational frequency can be felt?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... how in the hell did you catch this? Like, really.

Translated to Carvermind: that’s PHUCKING amazing!!! I want to jerk it so hard now to this, can’t wait to show this to CDTM AND MIND!!

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Here's the problem, Goku has to STOP, sense the energy he want to hit to make the connection then IT. It's not absolutely instant. Whis can sense him as soon as he starts.

He doesn’t actually have to stop, he used IT many times mid battle with Jiren in active combat.

Huge difference between searching for a ki signature and being in battle with someone you are already locked on to mid fight.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Here's the problem, Goku has to STOP, sense the energy he want to hit to make the connection then IT. It's not absolutely instant. Whis can sense him as soon as he starts.

Whis had no way of "sensing" when/where Gogeta was instantly going to materialize. As I said, Gogeta and Whis were in completely different locations at the time, so it's not like he had any indication that Gogeta was going to use IT in the first place.

It's not as if Whis said: "Oh, Gogeta's getting ready to use IT! That means he's going to appear at THIS exact spot, so I better hurry up and juke out of the way right as he 'ports here!"

Whis is an Angel. Angels are always in UI mode. Based on what we know, that is the only logical explanation for him "dodging" Gogeta's instantaneous movement in that particular scene.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think you're understanding me?

Whis had no way of "sensing" when/where Gogeta was instantly going to materialize. As I said, Gogeta and Whis were in completely different locations at the time, so it's not like he had any indication that Gogeta was going to use IT in the first place.

It's not as if Whis said: "Oh, Gogeta's getting ready to use IT! That means he's going to appear at THIS exact spot, so I better hurry up and juke out of the way right as he 'ports here!"

Whis is an Angel. Angels are always in UI mode. Based on what we know, that is the only logical explanation for him "dodging" Gogeta's instantaneous movement in that particular scene.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
iirc Wasn't it explained that instant transmission has a vibrational frequency that when a person re materializes that vibrational frequency can be felt?

Don't recall.

In what series you believe it was elaborated on in that way?

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think you're understanding me?

Whis had no way of "sensing" when/where Gogeta was instantly going to materialize. As I said, Gogeta and Whis were in completely different locations at the time, so it's not like he had any indication that Gogeta was going to use IT in the first place.

It's not as if Whis said: "Oh, Gogeta's getting ready to use IT! That means he's going to appear at THIS exact spot, so I better hurry up and juke out of the way right as he 'ports here!"

Whis is an Angel. Angels are always in UI mode. Based on what we know, that is the only logical explanation for him "dodging" Gogeta's instantaneous movement in that particular scene.

That does stop it from being what it is, his body sensing Goku coming in......
That's like what UI does, it senses then moves instinctively.

Sigh

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't recall.

In what series you believe it was elaborated on in that way?

I take it back, might've been an non canon movie.

Gogeta had to make a connection to him or someone in his vicinity to use IT, that how it works. He has to lock on to someones ki to teleport.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yeah, but somehow, I don't think UI would matter to top speed flash. There's knowing someone is coming then there is the flash.

Careful, you'll get on Carver's shit list.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That does stop it from being what it is, his body sensing Goku coming in......
That's like what UI does, it senses then moves instinctively.