Originally posted by Philosophía
The only logical fallacy is what your mother did 15 years ago.We don't assume that everybody in Marvel would be completely helpless against Green Lantern energy and everybody in DC would be completely helpless against the Power Cosmic, because they don't exist in each other's Universe. We treat durability in the raw amount of output of those abilities. DB characters get their physical durability from their innate power level -- and if that allows even the likes of Raditz the ability to withstand blasts that disintegrates the moon without moving, it means the energy required to do do anything to their molecular structure is beyond most, if not all.
Furthermore -- how do you not realize that the same absolutely bottom of the barrel single-neuron fueled logic can be turned against you, and it means Yamcha would atomize Darkseid because he has no showings against the exotic ki blasts?
Also, waste of oxygen, you haven't answered my initial question:
Originally posted by Philosophía
The only logical fallacy is what your mother did 15 years ago.We don't assume that everybody in Marvel would be completely helpless against Green Lantern energy and everybody in DC would be completely helpless against the Power Cosmic, because they don't exist in each other's Universe. We treat durability in the raw amount of output of those abilities. DB characters get their physical durability from their innate power level -- and if that allows even the likes of Raditz the ability to withstand blasts that disintegrates the moon without moving, it means the energy required to do do anything to their molecular structure is beyond most, if not all.
Furthermore -- how do you not realize that the same absolutely bottom of the barrel single-neuron fueled logic can be turned against you, and it means Yamcha would atomize Darkseid because he has no showings against the exotic ki blasts?
Also, waste of oxygen, you haven't answered my initial question:
A better example, is Maxwell Lord. His "Hax" cuts right through top tier telepathy like Martian Manhunter.
Or Jean Grey as Phoenix, or Star Fox's ability affected the f'n pre retcon Beyonder. All his power did not make him immune.
Likewise, Vegeta was not immune to Babidi's magic. He fought it off, but not due to his ki.
Ki did not make one immune to Darbura's spit. Or Buu's absorption.
There is no reason at all to believe the simplest Doctor Strange spell won't affect them.
Originally posted by cdtm
A better example, is Maxwell Lord. His "Hax" cuts right through top tier telepathy like Martian Manhunter.Or Jean Grey as Phoenix, or Star Fox's ability affected the f'n pre retcon Beyonder. All his power did not make him immune.
Likewise, Vegeta was not immune to Babidi's magic. He fought it off, but not due to his ki.
Ki did not make one immune to Darbura's spit. Or Buu's absorption.
There is no reason at all to believe the simplest Doctor Strange spell won't affect them.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
despite his ki based resistance, Goku's still susceptible to basic life ills, like chemical, biological, or radiation poisoning.
Even when he was a kid, Goku got poisoned from some magical water he drank. It took him a while to recover. He barely survived though
So magical water is a basic life illness?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's pretty obvious Whis can sense Gogeta's Ki AND The fact Gogeta NEEDS Ki signature in order to IT at first place which lcreates another argument here.
Gogeta's appearance in that spot justifies he sensed Whis's Ki and approach in that spot But Whis obviously sensed it hence he moved quickly, I posted the scan where Goku was aiming for Moro's Ki signature while he'd found it but Moro spotted his location as well by sensing his Ki. even caulifla did it, IT is predictable AF.
The fact that whis didn't even know gogeta was even created until after his IT already blows this argument away. It was only after gogeta appeared before him that he realized what they did and exclaimed "So you CAN work together"
Originally posted by cdtm
A better example, is Maxwell Lord. His "Hax" cuts right through top tier telepathy like Martian Manhunter.Or Jean Grey as Phoenix, or Star Fox's ability affected the f'n pre retcon Beyonder. All his power did not make him immune.
Likewise, Vegeta was not immune to Babidi's magic. He fought it off, but not due to his ki.
Ki did not make one immune to Darbura's spit. Or Buu's absorption.
There is no reason at all to believe the simplest Doctor Strange spell won't affect them.
The beyonder already declared that any ability that affected him was by his own volition, same reason he was affected by Cocaine
Vegeta ALLOWED babidi to control him in the first place, then broke his mind control with his KI afterwards, same babidi was capable of controlling a perfect cell level opponent, and Vegeta was literally billions of times weaker back then than he is now
Futures trunks blocked the spit with a ki shield round his arm
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilIt literally does not matter whose ki Gogeta locked onto. Even IF Whis was aware of the fact that Gogeta was about to teleport to his general location(which was never implied) that doesn't mean Whis automatically gained GPS coordinates that told him the EXACT SPOT that Gogeta was going to materialize in.
It's pretty obvious Whis can sense Gogeta's Ki AND The fact Gogeta NEEDS Ki signature in order to IT at first place which lcreates another argument here.
Am I not being clear enough here, because you're making this extra difficult.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilRight. Angel-level UI reacted to instantaneous movement... what I've been saying this entire time.
Gogeta's appearance in that spot justifies he sensed Whis's Ki and approach in that spot But Whis obviously sensed it hence he moved quickly
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilYes, Moro was aware that Goku had 'found' his ki signature. How does that change anything I've said about the mechanics of IT itself?
I posted the scan where Goku was aiming for Moro's Ki signature while he'd found it but Moro spotted his location as well by sensing his Ki. even caulifla did it, IT is predictable AF.
Originally posted by cdtmThat's telepathy. We were talking about matter manipulation resistance. Did you even read what I posted, or are you simply screaming "hax hax hax" endlessly? Telepathy has nothing to do with durability. It's why Xavier, while cosplaying as Stephen Hawking, can make Thor drool on the floor. Telepathy on J'onn's level would be beyond most people in Dragon Ball, yes -- but that's not what we're talking about.
A better example, is Maxwell Lord. His "Hax" cuts right through top tier telepathy like Martian Manhunter.Or Jean Grey as Phoenix, or Star Fox's ability affected the f'n pre retcon Beyonder. All his power did not make him immune.
Likewise, Vegeta was not immune to Babidi's magic. He fought it off, but not due to his ki.
Ki did not make one immune to Darbura's spit. Or Buu's absorption.
There is no reason at all to believe the simplest Doctor Strange spell won't affect them.
Magic [as in the case of Boo/Dabura or Dr. Strange] is, as the name inherently suggests for people whose brain you cannot ice skate on, something that many times does not take into account raw durability and bypasses conventional resistance. It's why you have characters with specific magic durability like Captain Marvel, while somebody like Superman throws up when fortunetellers sneeze on him.
If your question would be "how do Dragon Ball characters do standing still against Dr Strange/Fate's spells", then that would be a different discussion. In case your single neural pathway missed it, I didn't say that Dragon Ball characters's raw durability is, by its lonesome, an argument against "Hax" [spells, telepathy, speed steal etc.] -- I said that having matter manipulation is useless, unless the character in question has transmutated people who can eat moon/planet-busters like a gust of wind. "Hax" resistance is discussed separately.
Originally posted by cdtmDid you have an aneurysm?
The potera.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
despite his ki based resistance, Goku's still susceptible to basic life ills, like chemical, biological, or radiation poisoning.
Even when he was a kid, Goku got poisoned from some magical water he drank. It took him a while to recover. He barely survived though
Pre SSG Goku Yes. Not anymore so much.
Originally posted by Philosophía
That's telepathy. We were talking about matter manipulation resistance. Did you even read what I posted, or are you simply screaming "hax hax hax" endlessly? Telepathy has nothing to do with durability. It's why Xavier, while cosplaying as Stephen Hawking, can make Thor drool on the floor. Telepathy on J'onn's level would be beyond most people in Dragon Ball, yes -- but that's not what we're talking about.Magic [as in the case of Boo/Dabura or Dr. Strange] is, as the name inherently suggests for people whose brain you cannot ice skate on, something that many times does not take into account raw durability and bypasses conventional resistance. It's why you have characters with specific magic durability like Captain Marvel, while somebody like Superman throws up when fortunetellers sneeze on him.
If your question would be "how do Dragon Ball characters do standing still against Dr Strange/Fate's spells", then that would be a different discussion. In case your single neural pathway missed it, I didn't say that Dragon Ball characters's raw durability is, by its lonesome, an argument against "Hax" [spells, telepathy, speed steal etc.] -- I said that having matter manipulation is useless, unless the character in question has transmutated people who can eat moon/planet-busters like a gust of wind. "Hax" resistance is discussed separately.
Did you have an aneurysm?
Hax was the topic, yes. You're the only one focused on matter manipulation only.
You'd also need to prove their ki shields are stop all defenses, like conventional durability. You know, the same ki shields that did absolutely nothing to stop Vegeta from getting overheated in the Universe 6/7 tournament, nor protects them from a simple heart virus (Illness being something most bricks ARE immune to, which is why Superman never gets a cold).
Originally posted by cdtmYou replied to me when I mentioned matter manipulation, simpleton. How can you not follow this?
Hax was the topic, yes. You're the only one focused on matter manipulation only.You'd also need to prove their ki shields are stop all defenses, like conventional durability. You know, the same ki shields that did absolutely nothing to stop Vegeta from getting overheated in the Universe 6/7 tournament, nor protects them from a simple heart virus (Illness being something most bricks ARE immune to, which is why Superman never gets a cold).
How much brain damage do you truly have from abuse?
Quick 8 -5 x 7 =?
If a dog barks, and a cat meows, your dad...?
Ki shields -- ? What the shit are you talking about, you poor lost child?
Originally posted by Philosophía
You replied to me when I mentioned matter manipulation, simpleton. How can you not follow this?How much brain damage do you truly have from abuse?
Quick 8 -5 x 7 =?
If a dog barks, and a cat meows, your dad...?
Ki shields -- ? What the shit are you talking about, you poor lost child?
What do you think their invulnerability is? It's ki, shielding their body.
Basic logic 101. This is why when they lower their defenses, they can be hurt like anyone else.
Originally posted by cdtmYou think Dragon Ball characters have invisible ki shields around them at all time?
What do you think their invulnerability is? It's ki, shielding their body.Basic logic 101. This is why when they lower their defenses, they can be hurt like anyone else.
Again..
How much brain damage do you truly have from abuse?Quick 8 -5 x 7 =?
If a dog barks, and a cat meows, your dad...?
