Darkest Knight & Perpetua vs PR Beyonder & Molecule Man

Started by deft10 pages

The Sixth Dimension is the highest plane of existence:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11137/111374483/6948574-sixth%20dimension.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
They're an extension of the spatial dimensions. Only the first three dimensions are spatial. The fourth dimension is time, as explained in the comic, and the 5th and 6th are similarly extensions.

I don't have to deny anything, all I have to do is post the scene where Mr. Mxyzptlk for the Justice League what the dimensions are.

No. Not only hasn't it been established, it's been disproven by Snyder's writing.


Fistly,do you understand that fifth and sixth dimension are notging about spatial and temporal? Their existence does not deny the existence of infinite number of spatial dimensions below them.
Secondly,it has been established that there are infinite number of dimension below bleed space. and it has been established that everything in DC is canon.so no matter what you downplay,the existence of infinite number of dimension can not be denied.

Originally posted by Astner
DC has references to Marvel and Dragon Ball, that doesn't mean that Goku is part of the DC Universe.

Does the Wildstorm Multiverse have its own Bleed? Maybe, but it's not the same as the one as in the New 52. We know this for a fact because out of the 52 universes in the New 52 not a single one is associated with Wildstorm.

That said, you are also missing an important element. Comics are inconsistent. Off-issues don't matter as much as events. Currently Dark Metal is the event that's defining DC's cosmology, and anything that contradicts it is wrong. And that's why I'm telling you not to cherry-pick.

you have no arguments,

all you're really doing is closing your eyes, covering your ears and yelling an idea that you just made up. You aren't convincing anybody that you're right, especially when your opponents are providing evidence that you're wrong

doomsday clock is canon, convergence is canon, multiversity is canon

and they told us all past dc eras are parallel universes,

the bleedspace is literally what separates the universes in dc

Originally posted by MrMind
too many things wrong with your post, it's actually not even worth a response

but here it goes wasting my time

new52 is local multiverse out of infinite multiverses, just like pre-crisis

just like post crisis/rebirth, if you read doomsday clock you would know

if you read multiversity you would know, but since you don't read dc comics, what's the point of arguing.

Convergence was the first extremely direct confirmation that a previous iteration of the multiverse had been saved following its reboot,

but the Metaverse has expanded that concept.

Each reboot that changes the Metaverse and results in a new multiverse does NOT remove the previous iteration from existence.

They all exist together, and always have. As such, destroying or threatening a "multiverse" is heavily dependent on the context and era of the story,

and whether or not the entire Orrery itself (discussed further below) was threatened.

Convergence brought back the Pre-Crisis Multiverse

Every multiverse is preserved in the wider DC Multiverse

The New 52 multiverse, for example, is a "local multiverse" of 52 universes



THESE ARE CANON FACTS, STOP SPEWING YOUR FAN FICTION

since post crisis is still in dc larger multiverses,

due to canon facts and fukin hypertime

wildstorm is earth 50, have you even read 52 and captain atom armageddon

they literally shars the same bleed with dc multiverse if you read anything with authority or written by morrison at all

I'm not even gonna bother with WF being canon cause it's pointless

Originally posted by CatL18
Fistly,do you understand that fifth and sixth dimension are notging about spatial and temporal? Their existence does not deny the existence of infinite number of spatial dimensions below them.
Secondly,it has been established that there are infinite number of dimension below bleed space. and it has been established that everything in DC is canon.so no matter what you downplay,the existence of infinite number of dimension can not be denied.

exactly, the whole theme since rebirth is everything matters, everything is canon

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you are simultaneously confirming that imagination as a spatial dimension does not exists but are still assigning a number to fifth dimension because Beyonder is infinite dimensional!!

I'm not assigning any numbers, these are numbers assigned in the comics.

Originally posted by CatL18
Fistly,do you understand that fifth and sixth dimension are notging about spatial and temporal?

Yes, I've pointed it out at least twice already.

Originally posted by CatL18
Their existence does not deny the existence of infinite number of spatial dimensions below them.

In the given circumstances they certainly do. There's no 2nd imaginary dimension or 4th unimaginary dimension.

Mr. Mxyzptlk makes it clear that dimensions 1-3 are spatial, the 4th is time, the 5th is imagination and the 6th is the unimaginary.

And a vague reference in an unrelated comic isn't going to change that. Snyder's work is very consistent on this point.

Originally posted by CatL18
Secondly,it has been established that there are infinite number of dimension below bleed space. and it has been established that everything in DC is canon.so no matter what you downplay,the existence of infinite number of dimension can not be denied.

No it hasn't.

Originally posted by MrMind
doomsday clock is canon, convergence is canon, multiversity is canon

Yes they are, but that doesn't change the fact that the Pre-crisis era isn't part of the New 52.

Latest Metaverse issue seems to agree with Astner.

Infinite Multiverse, then it was collapsed into a single reality (COIE) then the various crises (ZH etc) failed to recreate it.

So, is DC actually still limited to 52 universes now? I thought it's always been infinite

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Latest Metaverse issue seems to agree with Astner.

Infinite Multiverse, then it was collapsed into a single reality (COIE) then the various crises (ZH etc) failed to recreate it.

Astner ragdolling like always. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Latest Metaverse issue seems to agree with Astner.

Infinite Multiverse, then it was collapsed into a single reality (COIE) then the various crises (ZH etc) failed to recreate it.

It mentioned IC succeeded though

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It mentioned IC succeeded though

Only partly.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Latest Metaverse issue agrees with Astner.

No shit?

Originally posted by Astner
[B]I'm not assigning any numbers, these are numbers assigned in the comics.

Which is not based on spatial dimensional structure. So any comparison with Beyonder is moot.

Originally posted by Astner
No shit?

Dark multiverse is always with the regular multiverse/universe though. Only positive multiverse changed, Dark Multiverse was always there.

Originally posted by Astner

In the given circumstances they certainly do. There's no 2nd imaginary dimension or 4th unimaginary dimension.
Mr. Mxyzptlk makes it clear that dimensions 1-3 are spatial, the 4th is time, the 5th is imagination and the 6th is the unimaginary.
And a vague reference in an unrelated comic isn't going to change that. Snyder's work is very consistent on this point.

Nothing matter because everything is canon and off course references about infinite number of dimension are canon too.
As long as DC confirms that everything is canon, Your downplay doesn't change it.

Originally posted by Astner

No it hasn't.

Read Doomsday Clock.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Latest Metaverse issue seems to agree with Astner.

Infinite Multiverse, then it was collapsed into a single reality (COIE) then the various crises (ZH etc) failed to recreate it.

explain yourself, simpleton

Originally posted by MrMind
explain yourself, simpleton

In the first place, What was expressed in Multiverse's End is only an outline.
So,It simpified DC cosmology to an extent.
It doesn' t change the fact that everything is canon and there are countless cosmology omitted by simle expression.

Originally posted by MrMind
explain yourself, simpleton

🙁 So rude

Astner is a genius in math but he doesn't even know wildstorm was earth 50 during pre52 era, and pre52 era is seperate timeline via doomsday clock

really simple to understand

Astner at least has some knowledge, Rage is just a ****in idiot

so far only the dc side has provided scans and evidences, like always

darkest knight and perpetua are infinite d with highest existence power, doctor manhattan power is the connective energy from dc multiversal crisis. darkest knight will surpass doctor manhattan and maybe even the perpetua.

but the baseline weakest of darkest knight was already shown to be multiversal/omniversal

and perpetua has already been shown to be omniversal from one scan introduction, so badass

not to mention....marvel multiverse back in 1985 was not infinite

beyonder best quantifiable feat was shaking a multiverse, and became a universe bigger than the marvel multiverse during that time

beyonder highest statement was being millions times more powerful than the multiverse

perpetua is a being infinitely above the third dimensional multiverse,

monitor realm treated dc third dimensional multiverse like story on papers

sixth dimension is two dimension higher than the monitor realm, it's literally the highest existence in comics.

there's a reason sixth dimensional beings are auto 1-A in vsbattles, but that's entire another discussion.

Originally posted by CatL18
Nothing matter because everything is canon and off course references about infinite number of dimension are canon too.

When it comes to evidence in comics it's always been quality over quantity. And the fact that you fall back on any vague mention of the word "dimension" only serves to emphasize how weak your argument actually is.

They're not talking about dimensional spaces here, they're talking about universes.

In contrast to these two scenes where dimensional spaces are in fact being discussed.

Originally posted by CatL18
As long as DC confirms that everything is canon, Your downplay doesn't change it.

I'm not even downplaying it. This is literally what the comics say.

Originally posted by CatL18
Read Doomsday Clock.

It was never mentioned. Try again.

Originally posted by MrMind
he doesn't even know wildstorm was earth 50 during pre52 era, and pre52 era is seperate timeline via doomsday clock

Earth-50, in the New 52, has absolutely no connection to Wildstorm. Just as New 52's Earth-1 has no connection to Pre-New 52 Earth-1.