anti matter universe is equal to positive multiverse in size
but she created one multiverse
dark multiverse, positive infinite multiverse, anti matter universe, higher archetypal realms and etc are all included in the superstructure she created
think of her created a prototype for one insanely massive multiverse
Originally posted by MrMind
what astner doesnt realize is dc is infinite dimensional too, the six layers of dimensions are six transcending planes of existence
Some arbitrary mention of an otherwise ambiguous term doesn't change that. You'd have to reference something specific from Dark Metal or the events that tie into it in order to contradict the notion.
Originally posted by Astner
No they're not, Mr. Mxyzptlk specifically describes them in terms relating to spatial and temporal dimensions.Some arbitrary mention of an otherwise ambiguous term doesn't change that. You'd have to reference something specific from Dark Metal or the events that tie into it in order to contradict the notion.
Originally posted by MrMind
I guess anything that isn't written by snyder doesn't count?
The error you're making is that you're cherry-picking elements from different stories only to come up with an interpretation that fails to align with any story.
If you're associating Perpetua with infinite dimensions then you've already ****ed up, because not only has this association not been made in the comics, it has actively been contradicted with her being assigned to the 6th dimension.
Originally posted by Astner
Not in regards to how he writes the cosmology, at the very least not when the evidence is contradicted by his own writing.The error you're making is that you're cherry-picking elements from different stories only to come up with an interpretation that fails to align with any story.
If you're associating Perpetua with infinite dimensions then you've already ****ed up, because not only has this association not been made in the comics, it has actively been contradicted with her being assigned to the 6th dimension.
Dark Dimension in itself has just created three entire multiverses within it for three different crises.
This is the explanation Snyder gave us for the fifth (and eventually sixth) dimension. Notice how the first four are supposed to correspond to the space-time continuum, and the last two are extrapolations thereof.
Originally posted by AstnerHe fumbles to explain the spatial dimensions confusing zero dimensional space (a dot) and one dimensional space (a line) for one dimensional space (a line) and two dimensional space (a plane), there's also the problem with describing three-dimensional space (volume) as "material stuff" but it's a bit more forgiving, and the fourth dimension is as per the metric tensor time.
Originally posted by Astner
This is the explanation Snyder gave us for the fifth (and eventually sixth) dimension. Notice how the first four are supposed to correspond to the space-time continuum, and the last two are extrapolations thereof.There's no room for interpretation here.
Perpetua created the infinite multiverse before COIE as we see Anti Monitor starting to conspire to destroy multiverse. You're equating current multiversal structure to her creation when it was rebooted by Cosmic Raptor after she was bound.
Originally posted by CatL18
In the first place, Snyder said in his interview that the definition of fifth and sixth dimensions are different from spatial and temporal.
Even if we ignore the fact that Tyler has a history of making shit and being generally disingenuous in his interpretation, this would never hold as acceptable evidence.
And when the recording picks up (again, conveniently) it's starts when Snyder explains the 4th dimension, as the dimension of the gods.
Originally expressed by Scott Snyder
Feel free to...again...I did my homework when I did that story, but it was a while ago now. But it was more...I think the 4th...If I remember correctly, and I may be wrong, I thought the 4th dimension was the deity the supernatural those things within the DC cosmology, the 5th dimension was imagination and then I worded the dimension...um...the spiritual what those are, not spitritual, the abstract I guess or the...I don't know the right word for it, metaphysical I guess? Exists and the 6th dimension...[Interruption by Tyler]
In terms of like layers of reality within the DC...sort of dimensional map, I think it's...uh...the 5th dimensions is imagination, I think the 4th is supernatural and fate based, and the 6th for us for us, that we created, was the uh unimaginable, you know the realm that 's for beings that exist beyond our comprehension in that regard, so yeah, beyond the physical.
But even if we ignore this, official publications―like the comics―takes precedence over what creative directors express in interviews or on social media when there's a contradiction between the work and the creative director's word.
Originally posted by Astner
No he didn't. He said that he didn't like his work to be constrictive, and then the recording "conveniently" died when Snyder is about to bring up the first three dimensions and we get Taylor's explanation of what was said.Even if we ignore the fact that Tyler has a history of making shit and being generally disingenuous in his interpretation, this would never hold as acceptable evidence.
And when the recording picks up (again, conveniently) it's starts when Snyder explains the 4th dimension, as the dimension of the gods.
You may interpret "beyond the physical" as being different kinds of dimensions. But he's specifically referring to dimensions four through six, implying that dimensions one through three are physical. And in that sense, four through six is an extrapolation of one through three. Meaning that they are dimensions in the very same sense, even if they have different properties.
But even if we ignore this, official publications―like the comics―takes precedence over what creative directors express in interviews or on social media when there's a contradiction between the work and the creative director's word.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Team 2.The Beyonder was truly infinite on an imaginable scale and the Molecule Man was the only chance the MU stood. Compared to them, Perpetua and Darkest Knight are so...small? petty?
It being such a mediocre story probably doesn't help improve their status.
As if Secret Wars II is some masterpiece. And no, they don't win here. Grandiose hyperbole aside (Specialty of Jim Shooter), Beyonder has nothing on Perpetua. Her creating an infinite multiverse casually is itself beyond the Beyonder.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂As if Secret Wars II is some masterpiece. And no, they don't win here. Grandiose hyperbole aside (Specialty of Jim Shooter), Beyonder has nothing on Perpetua. Her creating an infinite multiverse casually is itself beyond the Beyonder.
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Please don't reply to my posts if you haven't read the comics in question.
Secret Wars is a superior comic to Snyder's garbage. The fact that you think otherwise is disappointing. I know you're an idiot, but I genuinely thought superior stories superseded comic company preferences.
Also, the Marvel Universe was infinite in scope, and the Beyonder was many times more powerful and more encompassing. Making a fully functioning Multiverse would be nothing to him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
?Please don't reply to my posts if you haven't read the comics in question.
I've read more marvel comics than you have. Don't talk back to me son.
Secret Wars is a superior comic to Snyder's garbage. The fact that you think otherwise is disappointing. I know you're an idiot, but I genuinely thought superior stories superseded comic company preferences.
Secret Wars I was good, II was hot garbage with no plan to where it is going. At least Snyder has a definitive plan for the story.
Also, the Marvel Universe was infinite in scope, and the Beyonder was many times more powerful and more encompassing. Making a fully functioning Multiverse would be nothing to him.
So is DC universe. But Perpetua also created sphere of gods and Nil which is infinitely bigger than infinite multiverse.
Scale wise Beyonder is nothing to Perpetua.
Originally posted by CatL18
Thank you for proving that we are right.
Originally posted by CatL18
As I said, dimensions above 4D is nothing about spatial and temporal.
They're an extension of the spatial dimensions. Only the first three dimensions are spatial. The fourth dimension is time, as explained in the comic, and the 5th and 6th are similarly extensions.
Originally posted by CatL18
And,No matter how you deny,
Originally posted by CatL18
DC has established that there are infinite number of upper and lower dimensions below Bleed space.
Originally posted by CatL18
So,in conclusion.
Sixth dimension(unimaginable)>5th dimension(imagination)>4th dimension(platonic)>Bleed space>infinite dimension
Does it make sense to you that that the eighth, ninth, tenth or infiniteth dimensions are lesser than the fifth and sixth dimension? When the sixth is greater than the fifth?
Originally posted by Astner
You've got a mouse in your pocket?No one is saying that they're spatial.
They're an extension of the spatial dimensions. Only the first three dimensions are spatial. The fourth dimension is time, as explained in the comic, and the 5th and 6th are similarly extensions.
I don't have to deny anything, all I have to do is post the scene where Mr. Mxyzptlk for the Justice League what the dimensions are.
No. Not only hasn't it been established, it's been disproven by Snyder's writing.
Honestly, do you believe this shit? Let's ignore the fact that you're disproved by the scene posted earlier in the thread.
Does it make sense to you that that the eighth, ninth, tenth or infiniteth dimensions are lesser than the fifth and sixth dimension? When the sixth is greater than the fifth?
