Originally posted by Newjak
I mean the fact you're resorting to try and win on a technical definition instead of the spirit of conversation kind proves you understand that what Mitch did then and now is dirty.
So Rob is right "in spirit"? Nice. But kid we're dealing in facts. And I am correct: Republicans didn't pack the court. You can say Mitch played dirty if you want without saying that. Why is this hard? Explain. Why can't you just acknowledge they didn't pack the courts? What will you lose?
Originally posted by Surtur
The facts are on my side: republicans didn't create new seats like the democrats want. They didn't pack the courts.Some advice: put the shovel down.
So you're picking and choosing what counts, sorry, it all counts. Of note: The Republicans have added new seats in the past, if that's your cherry-picked metric.
Because I'm burying you with facts and you don't like it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, see above. McConnell absolutely played dirty during Obama's last term so Republicans could pack the courts over the last four years.
I already acknowledged what the republicans did with merrick but we also know the *** for tat just takes us to a shitty place.
Democrats decided to allow the nuclear option then in response republicans opened it up further to allow supreme court noms...........now ppl want to whine about the republicans simply using their powers that aren't breaking any rules to fill the court.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Nah, nothing he has done is dirty. At least not in regards to anything he has done in the Senate.Don't know or care about what he does in his personal life.
At this point the derangement is just baffling. They can't just acknowledge republicans didn't pack the courts. It's a simple fact and yet can't bring themselves to acknowledge it.
It's the same with the "sexual preference" fiasco. They just couldn't admit the democrats were wrong. And hell the *only* time they can even slightly call these people out is when they're simultaneously saying republicans are worse.
It's sad.
Originally posted by Newjak
I mean the fact you're resorting to try and win on a technical definition instead of the spirit of conversation kind proves you understand that what Mitch did then and now is dirty.
Believe me that they absolutely know the dirty games McConnell played, they just don't care and denying it happened is pretense so they can take the moral high ground.
Originally posted by Robtard
So you're picking and choosing what counts, sorry, it all counts. Of note: The Republicans have added new seats in the past, if that's your cherry-picked metric.Because I'm burying you with facts and you don't like it.
"Going by the definition of words is cherry picking"
Originally posted by SurturActually it's a fact that the Republicans said one thing back in 2016 to justify themselves and disregarded it only 4 years later when it was convenient.
So Rob is right "in spirit"? Nice. But kid we're dealing in facts. And I am correct: Republicans didn't pack the court. You can say Mitch played dirty if you want without saying that. Why is this hard? Explain.
You can ignore it all you want. You can dance around it all you want. The truth is the GOP wanted more conservative judges and they used whatever power they had to make it happen even if it made them hypocrites. Which is did.
What you're doing here is the same as when people call Trump fascist and then some blow hard Trump supporter tries to use a strict definition of fascism to argue that they're wrong while ignoring the whole context that people are just trying to say Trump is authoritarian in nature. This doesn't actually matter in the context of the actual topic people are discussing. It's a distraction argument.
Then you try to pat yourself on your back like you won something.
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually it's a fact that the Republicans said one thing back in 2016 to justify themselves and disregarded it only 4 years later when it was convenient.
And? This isn't court packing.
You can ignore it all you want. You can dance around it all you want. The truth is the GOP wanted more conservative judges and they used whatever power they had to make it happen even if it made them hypocrites. Which is did.
Okay, but it's not court packing.
What you're doing here is the as when people call Trump fascist' and then some blow hard Trump supporter tries to use a strict definition of fascism to argue that they're wrong while ignoring the whole context that people are just trying to say Trump is authoritarian in nature.Then you try to pat yourself on your back like you won something.
Okay, but it's not court packing.
The dems won’t be expanding the court anyways.
Biden has finally given more of a straight answer on this. He said if he wins he’s going to create a bipartisan commission to “study” the issue of fixing the courts and give him an answer after six months on how to proceed with that.
I think that’s his attempt to kick the can a bit because he doesn’t really want to expand the court. He’s spoken against it in the past. If the nominee was Sanders or something then I think he’d be more likely to push for it but I don’t think Biden is very interested and as I’ve said before it may not be possible even if the dems control the presidency and both chambers of congress.
Originally posted by RobtardYeah I know. They ignore it because it gives them what they want and ultimately that is the only thing they care about. "Winning" even if it hurts them.
Believe me that they absolutely know the dirty games McConnell played, they just don't care and denying it happened is pretense so they can take the moral high ground.
Originally posted by snowdragon
I already acknowledged what the republicans did with merrick but we also know the *** for tat just takes us to a shitty place.Democrats decided to allow the nuclear option then in response republicans opened it up further to allow supreme court noms...........now ppl want to whine about the republicans simply using their powers that aren't breaking any rules to fill the court.
It's amazing to me why they don't have the mental capacity to say Mitch played dirty while acknowledging he didn't pack the courts. I don 't understand why this isn't a thing people can do I am genuinely perplexed.
Is it just cuz the dems wanna pack the court and so some on the left just wanna scream "REPUBLICANS DO IT TOO" even if it's not true? That is the only excuse I can think of for them to go on this pointless crusade of trying to change the definition of court packing.
Originally posted by Newjak
Actually it's a fact that the Republicans said one thing back in 2016 to justify themselves and disregarded it only 4 years later when it was convenient.You can ignore it all you want. You can dance around it all you want. The truth is the GOP wanted more conservative judges and they used whatever power they had to make it happen even if it made them hypocrites. Which is did.
What you're doing here is the same as when people call Trump fascist and then some blow hard Trump supporter tries to use a strict definition of fascism to argue that they're wrong while ignoring the whole context that people are just trying to say Trump is authoritarian in nature. This doesn't actually matter in the context of the actual topic people are discussing. It's a distraction argument.
Then you try to pat yourself on your back like you won something.
^Huge Bingo
You can ignore it all you want. You can dance around it all you want. The truth is the GOP wanted more conservative judges and they used whatever power they had to make it happen even if it made them hypocrites.
They are hypocrites, so far I don't find that a unique quality confined to republicans so I don't see how that is even something to worry about, more to the point. Republicans didn't have to use "whatever power" they had, they had the majority that's all they needed, no dancing around, no rule bending required.
Originally posted by Newjak
This a great example of what I was talking about Surtur. Thank you 🙂
What more is there to say? You didn't prove it was court packing. You showed the republicans are hypocrites, big shocker. Democrats are too.
Why is this the hill you wanna die on? Why not just say "they played dirty" without lying about the court packing? What do you gain?